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General Category => Hmong Culture & History => Topic started by: sweetvoice on September 22, 2013, 03:55:56 PM
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If you are Hmong green how do you really feel about Hmong white. Please explain one true situation that you encounter with Hmong white that you dislike or disagree with
If you are Hmong white how do you really feel about Hmong green. Please explain one true situation that you encounter with Hmong white that you dislike or disagree with
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If you are Hmong white how do you really feel about Hmong green. Please explain one true situation that you encounter with Hmong white that you dislike or disagree with
*scratch head* :-\
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*scratch head* :-\
sorry i was typing fast...if you are hmong white how do you really feel about hmong green. explain one siutaion you encounter with hmonng green that you dislike or disagree with
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If you are Hmong green how do you really feel about Hmong white. Please explain one true situation that you encounter with Hmong white that you dislike or disagree with
If you are Hmong white how do you really feel about Hmong green. Please explain one true situation that you encounter with Hmong white that you dislike or disagree with
This is quite a touchy subject. But I will take a bite. First, I am Hmong Leng/Green. From my experience Hmong White tends to have both more diplomatic and political power than Hmong Green. They are also tend to be more verbal as well. Although both case aren't true.
Despite Hmong Green was the majority at one point. I haven't any negative experience yet with the Hmong White. However, here is my pet peeve: What I don't really like is that I sometimes have to right the current Hmong RPA that, at one point was written for the Hmong White only, just so Hmong White can understand.
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This is quite a touchy subject. But I will take a bite. First, I am Hmong Leng/Green. From my experience Hmong White tends to have both more diplomatic and political power than Hmong Green. They are also tend to be more verbal as well. Although both case aren't true.
Despite Hmong Green was the majority at one point. I haven't any negative experience yet with the Hmong White. However, here is my pet peeve: What I don't really like is that I sometimes have to right the current Hmong RPA that, at one point was written for the Hmong White only, just so Hmong White can understand.
thanks for shareing...I do agree with you that is topic is touchy subject...
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heheeh sorry....im having a bad day typing....
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dlabtsi_os,
Again, thank for responding because I never knew that white tends to have both more diplomatic and political power than Hmong Green. I'm pretty sure you are not the only feeling this way towards Hmong white.
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If you are Hmong green how do you really feel about Hmong white. Please explain one true situation that you encounter with Hmong white that you dislike or disagree with
If you are Hmong white how do you really feel about Hmong green. Please explain one true situation that you encounter with Hmong white that you dislike or disagree with
i've never had a problem with the green dialect. my txiv hluas speaks green and most of the ppl at our church speak green. i actually am in luv with the green dialect and secretly hope my future life partner will be green. i have not mastered the green dialect--it's a working progress.
so i've no problem with those who speak hmoob ntsuab nor do i have problems with hmoob lees either.
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i've never had a problem with the green dialect. my txiv hluas speaks green and most of the ppl at our church speak green. i actually am in luv with the green dialect and secretly hope my future life partner will be green. i have not mastered the green dialect--it's a working progress.
so i've no problem with those who speak hmoob ntsuab nor do i have problems with hmoob lees either.
thanks....hope you will find a hmong green partner
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thanks....hope you will find a hmong green partner
LOL thanks...it's wishful thinking...but who knows.
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i've never had a problem with the green dialect. my txiv hluas speaks green and most of the ppl at our church speak green. i actually am in luv with the green dialect and secretly hope my future life partner will be green. i have not mastered the green dialect--it's a working progress.
so i've no problem with those who speak hmoob ntsuab nor do i have problems with hmoob lees either.
oh...good luck in trying to master the green dialect. I use to date a hmong green guy for a long time and I could not say a full sentence in the green dialect. The reason why I had a hard time was because every single time I say a long sentence he would smile and laugh..so I sort of gave up.....
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LOL thanks...it's wishful thinking...but who knows.
[/quotLOL thanks...it's wishful thinking...but who knows.
I'm Hmong white and I dated a Hmong green guy for over ten years....now when I think about it I've learn so much about Hmong green...It was a great experience for me....
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hluas nkauj hmoob lees. lawv hais lus mos(soft) dua :D, but there are some who are annoying to the point where you want to put a sock in it.. especially cov nyiag plees plees ntshauv >:(
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There are no actual genetic differences between dawb and lees. In the past, Hmoob dawb lived around other Hmoob dawb (ditto with Hmoob lees) and developed common word usage. That's it. For example, Hmoob lees calls a blanket "choj". In Hmoob dawb, "choj" is bridge. It's not a true dialect difference! We all still know the word "choj" but we just use it in difference context because my great-great-great grandfather used it the same as his neighbor because his neighbor's great-grandparents, whom also lived and died in the surrounding area, also used it as such. The same can be said about little nuances in the ancestor worship, rituals, and culture.
It's like if a person never leaves the east coast of USA and he visits Minnesota for the first time and we call Pepsi/Coke "pop" and he's like "What the hell is 'pop'"? Does that mean he speaks a different dialect? No. He knows what the word "pop" is but Midwesterners simply all started calling it "pop" so it became "pop".
You guys are out of touch with reality if you think that Hmoob dawb are more vocal than Hmoob lees or anything like that. Our cultures and genetics are 99.99999999999 999...% similar. The same goes for the Sapa Hmoob dub in Vietnam. Don't give me that bullshit about how the dress and do rituals slightly different so they are somehow a different Hmong. When you can comprehend 99% of each other's language, you developed regional differences in word usages. You do not represent different dialects.
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I don't discriminate against greens nor do i prefer greens, but my sisters ex relatives used to nag about why their son married a white hmong. Why the hate?
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Some people get all giddy when greens speak but the green dialect doesn't impress me. I don't get all giddy over it. Some greens think they are cool cus they're green but i don't think so. You're only as cool as your personality no matter what color.
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I don't discriminate against greens nor do i prefer greens, but my sisters ex relatives used to nag about why their son married a white hmong. Why the hate?
Well, base on my own experience with hmong green families they do nag about their sons dateing or marrying white Hmong females. There are many reasons why they feel this way about the question you are asking so I'm hoping maybe a hmong green person will respond to you and give you a better understanding.
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Some people get all giddy when greens speak but the green dialect doesn't impress me. I don't get all giddy over it. Some greens think they are cool cus they're green but i don't think so. You're only as cool as your personality no matter what color.
interesting point.....when i was involved with my ex's family for many years I didn't think that I needed to speak green dialect...but I did try a little just for fun.....I didn't notice anything about them acting cool cause they are green....but to be honest with you..I'm white and some of their views on certain things didn't attract me and I wasn't agreeing with ...at the end I realize that I wanted a soulmate who was not hmong green ...and it is a decision I made for myself out of what I've learn in life and through my own experience and what I wanted for myself....
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Nothing to it! We all learn to get along just like Christians and Non-Christians. It's really the personality of the person that makes his/her voice sweet. With that said, I fall for all pojniam lub suab li os. :-\ ;D
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I am a green or Moob Leeg. I married to a Hmong white lady. One incident that turned my thinking completely was back in the early 90s. I was asked to make a new year banner. So I wrote it in Moob Leeg. The banner, instead of the usually "Nyob Zoo Xyooj Tshiab," I wrote "Zoo Sab Xyoo Tshab," right? Happy New Year = Zoo sab xyoo tshab." that made more sense to me. Any way this guy, the new year chair, walked up to me and told me in rough/angry tone of voice, "sau ua ntawv hmoob dawb meb!!!. I questioned. He angrily ordered. since that time, I never speak white hmong again, even to my wife.
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I am a green or Moob Leeg. I married to a Hmong white lady. One incident that turned my thinking completely was back in the early 90s. I was asked to make a new year banner. So I wrote it in Moob Leeg. The banner, instead of the usually "Nyob Zoo Xyooj Tshiab," I wrote "Zoo Sab Xyoo Tshab," right? Happy New Year = Zoo sab xyoo tshab." that made more sense to me. Any way this guy, the new year chair, walked up to me and told me in rough/angry tone of voice, "sau ua ntawv hmoob dawb meb!!!. I questioned. He angrily ordered. since that time, I never speak white hmong again, even to my wife.
You should of told him that you will write in both white and green instead of just carrying that feeling for all this time.....just a recommendation for the future...
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If you are Hmong green how do you really feel about Hmong white. Please explain one true situation that you encounter with Hmong white that you dislike or disagree with
If you are Hmong white how do you really feel about Hmong green. Please explain one true situation that you encounter with Hmong white that you dislike or disagree with
I heard Green Hmongs sound romantic like the French and White Hmongs sound harsh and spit a lot like Germans.
LOL. Just kidding.
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I am a green or Moob Leeg. I married to a Hmong white lady. One incident that turned my thinking completely was back in the early 90s. I was asked to make a new year banner. So I wrote it in Moob Leeg. The banner, instead of the usually "Nyob Zoo Xyooj Tshiab," I wrote "Zoo Sab Xyoo Tshab," right? Happy New Year = Zoo sab xyoo tshab." that made more sense to me. Any way this guy, the new year chair, walked up to me and told me in rough/angry tone of voice, "sau ua ntawv hmoob dawb meb!!!. I questioned. He angrily ordered. since that time, I never speak white hmong again, even to my wife.
You should of told him that you will write in both white and green instead of just carrying that feeling for all this time.....just a recommendation for the future...
It is not that Hmong Dawb are oppressive. Nor is the other way around. One of the consequence for Hmong RPA is that it is strictly written for Hmong White. However, there is nothing wrong writing to fit the pronunciation of Lees and Dlawb/Dawb.
This goes all the way back in the early 2000s when Hmong School project begins, and the Hmong community question whether to use Dawb RPA or Lees RPA. Many people argue why not both. Although that will be difficult. Some argue Lees is because majority of Hmong has accent similar of Moob Lees. Other argues that Lao Family specifically, like Vang Pao's family were Hmoob Dawb. So it is appropriate to use Hmoob Dawb RPA. Although I think the last one was a rumor. Whichever, in the end the standard RPA was Hmoob Dawb.
In my opinion, I think Hmong language needs to be reform somewhere in the future. That includes the RPA, Phajhauj, and the rumor of PajNtaub writings.
One of my personal pet peeves with Shong Lue Yang Phajhauj is that symbols are similar to Mon-Khmer writing. I just don't like the feeling misidentify with Khmer.
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I've heard good and bad reviews from both side. My parents wanted me to yuav moob lees xwb. While my friends parents wanted them to yuav moob dlawb xwb. I never cared so I never paid attention to the reasoning besides that each side thinks the other is phem phem. In the end, peb yog moob xwb so kuv tsis k. Ua tuab neeg tes yeej yuav muaj tug phem hab tug zoo. Whatever we may encounter is with that specific person only.
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I feel like they are our friends, nieces/nephews, cousins, in-laws,... basically white or green they are my family.
Kuv yog Moob leeg tes kuv txawm yuav quas puj (or kuv tug nyaab "son's wife") yog nkauj Moob dlawb, tes kuv quas puj hab tug nyaab yuav tsum xyum has lug Moob leeg xwb.
Yog tias kuv tus muam/ntxhais (Hmoob lees) mus yuav tau tus yawm yij los sis vauv Hmoob dawb ces nkawd yuav tsum mus xyaum hais lus Hmoob dawb xwb.
Everything else can be compromise and learn from each other.
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Here is the truth about how Hmong Green and Hmong White is looked at back in the old days of Laos! Green hillbilly uneducated ant wants to bit them because their pants are to long to the ground. White educated leaders better of in society not hillbilly. Hate me but that was how it was in the old days of Laos! Just info in the topic.
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1st of all I'm HmnG Leng. But I speak both lingos. I speak Leng to my Leng people and I speak the white lingo to my whyte friends. For over 10-15+ years they never knew that I was HmnG Leng, until one day I meet and friend of a friend and we somehow started talking Hmng Leng.. Heehee. I can tell if a person is a double lingo..
Anywho, all my other buddies where like WTF........... . What kind of lingo is that???? LOL
I have no problems with double Lingo, However this thread would be best suited for the OG's.. to give you the answer which you seek of.
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A few months ago, I stopped over at Hmong Village to pick up a few items from the fruits and vegetable market and as I was heading out I realized that an older man was selling these two string bowed instruments we called "Xis Xaus". It was the Hmong rendition of the Chinese Er Hu instrument. As I picked it up and began to tune the instrument to play the chords, another couple stopped by to check the cool instruments. He picked up an instrument and began to tune it also. As I inquire the owner of the table-stand as to who made these instruments, the passerby played his music….I believed he was playing the tone from the "Striped Hmongs" or Hmoob Ntxaij. While playing, he spoke to his significant other in White dialect while smiling.
As I continued to tune the instrument in my hand, one of the strings broke. As the passerby looked at me in awe, he said to me in White Hmong "young man, do you even know how to play this instrument"? Seeing as I have broken a string on this instrument, I quickly pulled my wallet out and handed the owner of the table-stand a $20 for compensating the broken string. I quickly glance to see if any other part of the instrument was also affected by this mistake I made. As I reconcile with the owner, the passerby told me in White Dialect Hmong that I was responsible for buying the whole instrument. In my defense, I told him that the part being broken was the string and it was up to the owner of the table-stand to deem fit if I was required to purchased the whole instrument. The passerby looked at me in disgust but as he did so, the owner spoke to me in my native Green Dialect that he didn't want anything for it because it had been the instruments that everyone was touching and tuning. I insisted that it was only fair to be able to restore the string so that the instrument could be played again. The owner agreed.
Not showing any sign of sympathy, the passerby told me that tuning the instrument did not require much adjustment. He insisted that playing the instrument needed only to be in a particular chord. To my amazement I couldn't believe what I was hearing. I told the passerby that these instruments would need to be tuned in accordingly to whether he was a White Hmong or a Green Hmong and in particular…that these instruments were very particular as to the tone it can be played because it represented what region or location the instrument player came from OR what hill tribe he was representing.
I suppose the White Dialect Hmong passerby had issues with me, not because of the instrument incident but actually by his prejudice that I was speaking in Green Hmong. The tone he gave off was quite child-like as he was maybe in his late 40's….somewhere there. The fact that he had beef with me on something he didn't own bother me not a bit but the fact that if he was going to school me on something, he should know his materials let alone if he was a straight up hater…well then I can't help those kinds of people. One thing for sure is he isn't a Star Trek fan because if he were, he'd understand that accepting other people's difference is the key to exploring new life and that would be boldly go where no man has gone before. Now as I reflect back to the incident and if my hand had quicker reflex I would of given him the Spock hand-sign of peace and prosper, you know the sign where he splits his hand between his middle-finger and the ring-finger.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfjyjCnCK98#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfjyjCnCK98#ws)
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^^ I could never ever understood the reasoning behind why some green dialect speaking Moob people would speak the white dialect while in the company of white dialect speakers...
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The only logical reason as to why a Green Hmong would talk with the white-dialect to a White-Hmong is because of humbleness and understanding. Let alone, the pronunciation of words requires years of practice or young upbringing. Words become a run-on play so the sentence structure will be confused by the ill-informed.
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^^ I could never ever understood the reasoning behind why some green dialect speaking Moob people would speak the white dialect while in the company of white dialect speakers...
Because we are just that good. Don't be Jelly cuz you can only speak Hmng Whyte and Engrish only.. While we can speak the 3 lingos.... hehee..j/k..
No but for real, if we speak the green lingo to the whyte lingo people theu would be like WTF.... Are you even HmnG???
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I don't hate my fellow white-dialect Hmongs and they can do whatever pleases them just like any green-dialect Hmong. All that I really ask from the passerby was that he be mindful and respectful. I was asking him to put on his Hmong manners and yet he was totally jerking off. Same goes for everyone here, don't play the hate game…if you do, we as a Hmong community has just Failed.
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Here is the truth about how Hmong Green and Hmong White is looked at back in the old days of Laos! Green hillbilly uneducated ant wants to bit them because their pants are to long to the ground. White educated leaders better of in society not hillbilly. Hate me but that was how it was in the old days of Laos! Just info in the topic.
Wrong. Both were treated fairly and unjust during the French Colonization. The reason White were seen as educated, because there were French Pasture trying to created a language to communicate, what we called now is RPA. But before that, let's go back a bit farther. How did Hmong and French communicate? Have you heard lus Tsov/Tsuv? These were informal made up language to communicate one and another. The Majority of Lus Tsov/Tsuv were Green Dialect, not because Green was superior, but because they were the majority comparing to White Hmong. Now skipping to the French Pasture. The French Pasture created two RPA; one for White and Green. Because Green cannot sound White and White cannot sound Green. However, during the Laotian Civil War, they didn't have not enough time to publish both of the Hmong RPA. And because the Green Hmong population outweighs the White, the Pasture decide to go with the White RPA, because it saves more time. And my friend that is the White Dialect RPA.
And for the record, General Vang Pao is the only one that is strictly known Hmong White. Others like Touby Lyfoung were descendants from Green Dialect Parents. Not to disrespect General Vang Pao, but he has no education background. But he wasn't a fool either. Thus your logic is invalid; If you want to go by strictly education back in Laos before arriving America, then Green were more educated by position in power. History is full of twist and turns.
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And because the Green Hmong population outweighs the White, the Pasture decide to go with the White RPA, because it saves more time. And my friend that is the White Dialect RPA.
I really wonder what the population of Dawb is to Leeg. I lived in MN and CA and it is dominated by Hmong Dawb. Not to mention MN and CA is the most populated Hmong states.
And for the record, General Vang Pao is the only one that is strictly known Hmong White.
I would disagree with this as Kia Tong Lor, Dr. Yang Dao, Senator Mee Moua, Shong Lue Yang, Pa Chay Vu, Lee Lue, Pa Kao Her, Zong Zoua Her, Dr. PobZeb Vang and Dr. Gary Yia Lee are all Hmong Dawb. O0
How many Hmong Leeg leaders can you name?
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Dr. PobZeb Vang...
Dr. PobZeb of Wisconsin whom passed away some years back? I believe he is Hmoob lees. Many of his Vaaj relatives are in the Eau Claire county and nearly every single Vaaj in EC county is Hmoob lees.
Doesn't really matter. Dawb, lees, it's all just a linguistic regional difference. We have no genetic and/or ethnic difference. Show me the science and I'll concede that Hmoob dawb and lees are different. I bet if genetics were tested among USA Hmong, Burmese Hmong, Vietnamese Hmong, and south China Hmoob dawb and lees, it's all the same gene pool.
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But somehow both lingo do not want their kids to marry the other, for they will forget their own lingo and adopt the other lingo. And that is why the lengs marry theirs and the dawbs marry their own.
Otherwise the parent will disapprove the marriage??? Or they will not last long nor have a happy life together rite???
My Uncle;;; he's a leng but he married a HmnG Dawb and his kids don't speak my leng lingo. Thous I have to speak the Dawb lingo. LOL. ANd somtimes I forget and I start to speak my own lingo and they will be like Uh!!!!!!!.
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When Hmong dawn speak it sounds like ratta-tat-tat. When Hmong lees speak it sounds like hyuk-hyuk-hyuk.
White in my experience tended to be more vocal, louder and in your face when it came to not taking out the trash or waking up too late at a buddies house party and grandmother was throwing everyone out. When I get called out it sounds harsher and more directed.
Green have been more soft spoken and to me have always been looked down because well they're green. I dunno? Just always seemed like that to me.
As I got older I noticed that it depended more on the person than the language or stereotypes. Cray Cray is always going to be Cray Cray. That crap doesn't stereotype.
I am green and my wife is white. No issues whatsoever. The issue has never come up between our families but my inlaws and us joke about it all the time.
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There's a lot of perceptual truths to stereotypical labels of white vs green. But if you really want to be open minded and not put stereotypical labels on, then first of all stop labeling green hmong as green. There's no such thing as green hmong to begin with. It's Hmong lees.
The origination in the differences of the dialect is more than just simple dialect differences or educational levels. That's all I'm gonna say, since people will take insult to it.
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Here is the truth about how Hmong Green and Hmong White is looked at back in the old days of Laos! Green hillbilly uneducated ant wants to bit them because their pants are to long to the ground. White educated leaders better of in society not hillbilly. Hate me but that was how it was in the old days of Laos! Just info in the topic.
Hmoob Dawb kid would say to Hmoob Lees kid: "Hmoob lees taus ris ntev, nyob hauv tsev, ntsaum nab pom ntsaum nab muab plev" - Hmong Leng wore long pants in the house, ants see ants bit.
Moob Leeg kid would say to Moob Dlawb kid: "Moob dlawb aub pob tawb, moog tom haav tsawb, tsuv pum tsuv muab khawb" - Hmong Der carry a bucket to the banana field, tiger see tiger scratch.
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Hmoob Dawb kid would say to Hmoob Lees kid: "Hmoob lees taus ris ntev, nyob hauv tsev, ntsaum nab pom ntsaum nab muab plev" - Hmong Leng wore long pants in the house, ants see ants bit.
Moob Leeg kid would say to Moob Dlawb kid: "Moob dlawb aub pob tawb, moog tom haav tsawb, tsuv pum tsuv muab khawb" - Hmong Der carry a bucket to the banana field, tiger see tiger scratch.
Ah good one! O0
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i have no fuss to either cause we are all hmoob xwb, we eat the same food, drink the same water, we do the hmoob things together. O0
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Twb nyob rau tiam 21 thiab twb yuav mus rau tiam 22 lawm lo Hmoob tseem coj tus cwj pwm thiab lub siab qub qub puag suav tuaj tshoj los. Tseem muaj kam sib cav, sib cais pab thiab cais pawg xws lis hmoob dawb hab moob leeg. Tsi yog laug zug e ncaj zug e yuav qhas cov yaus zoo quas zug tab sis laug zug nkaus zug tuaj lawm xwb! Tej zag tswv ntuj tis tau lub npe yaum kev lawm... tus siab!
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Interesting question, and yet even more interesting answers (thoughts) on both front -- LOL! (My personal experiences, BIAS, is that the Green have always felt, for whatever reasons -- historically or whatever -- inferior to the White and have CAME UP with all their whatever. Go do your own intellectual, community, and worldly research and you will see my point, unless you are Green-In-Denial. It is not "hating" or whatever you kids/folks want to call it. It is just "UPFRONT" reality whether you want to accept, acknowledge, or believe (theorize) it or not.
What I personally want to ASK (know) is how Green Hmong feel about their other half, or the ones they have DISCLAIMED, aka the "Moob Ntsuab", or "Moob Leeg", or "Moob Lees", or whatever OTHER LABEL you want to DISASSOCIATE yourselves with --- HAHAHA!!!
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It's all Hmong to me.
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It's all Hmong to me.
200%, zoo siab heev, peb yog hmoob ib yam xwb.
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There's a lot of perceptual truths to stereotypical labels of white vs green. But if you really want to be open minded and not put stereotypical labels on, then first of all stop labeling green hmong as green. There's no such thing as green hmong to begin with. It's Hmong lees.
The origination in the differences of the dialect is more than just simple dialect differences or educational levels. That's all I'm gonna say, since people will take insult to it.
I hate when we Western Hmong/Mong always leaving out Black/Stripe/Red/Flower/AHmao out. :knuppel2:
You mean that some Hmong/Mong still feel that they need to correct American people when they pronounced HA' Mong. :idiot2: It's not their fault they can't pronounce the silent H. Hmong/Mong is still the same to me.
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Interesting question, and yet even more interesting answers (thoughts) on both front -- LOL! (My personal experiences, BIAS, is that the Green have always felt, for whatever reasons -- historically or whatever -- inferior to the White and have CAME UP with all their whatever. Go do your own intellectual, community, and worldly research and you will see my point, unless you are Green-In-Denial. It is not "hating" or whatever you kids/folks want to call it. It is just "UPFRONT" reality whether you want to accept, acknowledge, or believe (theorize) it or not.
What I personally want to ASK (know) is how Green Hmong feel about their other half, or the ones they have DISCLAIMED, aka the "Moob Ntsuab", or "Moob Leeg", or "Moob Lees", or whatever OTHER LABEL you want to DISASSOCIATE yourselves with --- HAHAHA!!!
If these fantasy Mong Green suffer inferior complexity. I guess you as an individual suffer superior complexity then. Not every Hmong share your opinion. Until you accept Mong Leeg basically meaning Hmong/Mong admittance. You are ignorant half of the time like myself. Just for your info Lor Bliayao aka Kiatong Lor the same guy that support French during Rog Paj Caj Vwj. It shows how ugly our Hmong SEA history was/is. And yes Lor Kiatong speaks Hmoob Dawb accent.
Lor Kiatong grandson in law Touby Lyfoung later assume position. This is where the Lee vs Lor began. Lyfoung support many Hmong Leeg (aka Hmong/Mong admittance) people during the Vietnam War. Lor clan felt cheated from the War against Japanese in Vietnam. So they cast their lot in with Communist. Remember these are Lor Kiatong clan members.
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I hate when we Western Hmong/Mong always leaving out Black/Stripe/Red/Flower/AHmao out. :knuppel2:
You mean that some Hmong/Mong still feel that they need to correct American people when they pronounced HA' Mong. :idiot2: It's not their fault they can't pronounce the silent H. Hmong/Mong is still the same to me.
I think Western mindset is that Mong equates to Mongols... :idiot2: I heard the grade school report by someone. :2funny:
that's okay...we didn't know any better and didn't even knew what an Asian was back then.
I think it's fair to leave all the other Hmong/Mong wannabe's out cuz we would then have to include the Koreans too.
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I hate when we Western Hmong/Mong always leaving out Black/Stripe/Red/Flower/AHmao out. :knuppel2:
You mean that some Hmong/Mong still feel that they need to correct American people when they pronounced HA' Mong. :idiot2: It's not their fault they can't pronounce the silent H. Hmong/Mong is still the same to me.
Western Hmong, the elders -- not necessarily ya HA'Mong youngins, have always known/acknowledged the Hmong/Mong Black/Striped -- just NOT the Red/Flower/AHmao/Kho Xiong/Hmu/ etc. etc., because these groups did not exist (immigrate) into SEAsia. They are predominantly/solely existed in China; thus Western Hmong did not even know of/about them until the late 20th to early 21st century.
And American people did not say HA'Mong, at least in all of my experiences/encounters. It is infact ya HA'Mong youngins who have mispronounced Hmong/Mong, because many are saying Mung, Mong, Mon, Mawn versus "Hmoob" and "Moob". Even in the Green dialect, they do not say "Mong" though it is Anglicized that way. They actually say "Moob", or if in English, it is closer to "MOWN" -- definitely NOT "Mong".
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So this hmong be posting on my facebook with "My Hmigger"
must be hmong kaydoo. ha :2funny:
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LOL... M'own
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So this hmong be posting on my facebook with "My Hmigger"
must be hmong kaydoo. ha :2funny:
It's Yamato. He likes using that word a lot. :2funny:
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If these fantasy Mong Green suffer inferior complexity. I guess you as an individual suffer superior complexity then. Not every Hmong share your opinion. Until you accept Mong Leeg basically meaning Hmong/Mong admittance. You are ignorant half of the time like myself. Just for your info Lor Bliayao aka Kiatong Lor the same guy that support French during Rog Paj Caj Vwj. It shows how ugly our Hmong SEA history was/is. And yes Lor Kiatong speaks Hmoob Dawb accent.
Lor Kiatong grandson in law Touby Lyfoung later assume position. This is where the Lee vs Lor began. Lyfoung support many Hmong Leeg (aka Hmong/Mong admittance) people during the Vietnam War. Lor clan felt cheated from the War against Japanese in Vietnam. So they cast their lot in with Communist. Remember these are Lor Kiatong clan members.
LOL -- yeah, you do sound quite ignorant in "sharing your opinion", regarding Mong Leeg, Kiatong Lor, and Touby, including your other "inferior complexity" hearsay, or ill-researched, ill-founded, and ill-posturing rhetoric.
It would be too easy to reprise (amend/rectify) all of your "inferior opinion", per scholarship and inherent Hmong knowledge-base (keeb kwm -- history, facts, and firsthand accounts/witnesses), but let us just AMUSE you with one universal fact/truth. That is, "Kiatong Lor supported the French because he is, was, and reigned directly under French authority." Does that make any trivial sense to you whatsoever?
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I feel like they are our friends, nieces/nephews, cousins, in-laws,... basically white or green they are my family.
Kuv yog Moob leeg tes kuv txawm yuav quas puj (or kuv tug nyaab "son's wife") yog nkauj Moob dlawb, tes kuv quas puj hab tug nyaab yuav tsum xyum has lug Moob leeg xwb.
Yog tias kuv tus muam/ntxhais (Hmoob lees) mus yuav tau tus yawm yij los sis vauv Hmoob dawb ces nkawd yuav tsum mus xyaum hais lus Hmoob dawb xwb.
Everything else can be compromise and learn from each other.
Oh my, your green is sexy tiag. No flirtin.g.
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Western Hmong, the elders -- not necessarily ya HA'Mong youngins, have always known/acknowledged the Hmong/Mong Black/Striped -- just NOT the Red/Flower/AHmao/Kho Xiong/Hmu/ etc. etc., because these groups did not exist (immigrate) into SEAsia. They are predominantly/solely existed in China; thus Western Hmong did not even know of/about them until the late 20th to early 21st century.
And American people did not say HA'Mong, at least in all of my experiences/encounters. It is infact ya HA'Mong youngins who have mispronounced Hmong/Mong, because many are saying Mung, Mong, Mon, Mawn versus "Hmoob" and "Moob". Even in the Green dialect, they do not say "Mong" though it is Anglicized that way. They actually say "Moob", or if in English, it is closer to "MOWN" -- definitely NOT "Mong".
Western Hmong if you meant us kids these days then yes. However elders know these people exist they just call them different than us these days. For example any ethnic people that isn't Hmong. Elders just called Mab. As for Nplog and Thaib I have no idea of the origin of the term.
LOL -- yeah, you do sound quite ignorant in "sharing your opinion", regarding Mong Leeg, Kiatong Lor, and Touby, including your other "inferior complexity" hearsay, or ill-researched, ill-founded, and ill-posturing rhetoric.
It would be too easy to reprise (amend/rectify) all of your "inferior opinion", per scholarship and inherent Hmong knowledge-base (keeb kwm -- history, facts, and firsthand accounts/witnesses), but let us just AMUSE you with one universal fact/truth. That is, "Kiatong Lor supported the French because he is, was, and reigned directly under French authority." Does that make any trivial sense to you whatsoever?
Well HA'Mong is the results when the emphasis to much on the H. So what is your point? Secondly H/M -oo- b do sound similar to - ong-. Nowadays American can pronounced it better. However only those states that barely have any Hmong population wouldn't know what is Hmong.
And Kiatong wasn't under the French. He supported the French. At the time Laos King had'nt even recognize Hmong as Laos citizens. So get your oral straight. That is the universal fact. Kiatong was just a man that was given privileges at the expense of Hmoob. Your implication shows that I have dislike to Hmoob Dawb. But I don't. My implication in this thread is that Hmong RPA standard is written Hmong Dawb. Overall today Hmoob and foreigners benefits more if they learn Hmoob Dlawb. That is it. So get off your high horses.
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Western Hmong if you meant us kids these days then yes. However elders know these people exist they just call them different than us these days. For example any ethnic people that isn't Hmong. Elders just called Mab. As for Nplog and Thaib I have no idea of the origin of the term.
Well HA'Mong is the results when the emphasis to much on the H. So what is your point? Secondly H/M -oo- b do sound similar to - ong-. Nowadays American can pronounced it better. However only those states that barely have any Hmong population wouldn't know what is Hmong.
And Kiatong wasn't under the French. He supported the French. At the time Laos King had'nt even recognize Hmong as Laos citizens. So get your oral straight. That is the universal fact. Kiatong was just a man that was given privileges at the expense of Hmoob. Your implication shows that I have dislike to Hmoob Dawb. But I don't. My implication in this thread is that Hmong RPA standard is written Hmong Dawb. Overall today Hmoob and foreigners benefits more if they learn Hmoob Dlawb. That is it. So get off your high horses.
You get a "perfect F" for "eFFort", despite failing miserably.
First, the only thing "concrete" the Hmong elders knew was that they had migrated from China (their native homeland) through Vietnam then into Laos, Burma, and Northern Thailand -- settling incrementally along the way in these countries respectively. Whatever their parents, grandparents, or ancestors knew about their "Hmong/Miao/Chinese brethrens" were nothing more than legend and folklore. (By this, we are talking about all the other Hmong, or Miao ethnicity, in China today. I am not going to elaborate/explain this, as this is not a history lesson blah blah blah.) So yes, in general, the Hmong elders knew there were Hmong/Miao (relatives, loved ones) left behind in China, but NOT by their distinguished nomenclature -- as we know them today. And the TERM or TERMS, "Hmab/Mab" and/or "Hmab/Mab Sua", depending if it is used separately or together -- though Mab and Sua are its own unique ethnicyt, though Sua is really Suav for Chinese -- just basically means "foreigner", or specifically "NON-Hmong". That is the actual meaning, purpose, and usage of that TERM(s), in Hmong. As a matter of fact, Hmong can even refer to "Americans" as "Hmab Sua" if they wanted to.
Lastly, *giggles* do you even know what "Indochina" is, or means? (Yeah, I did not think so.) There, I just answered ANY/ALL your Kiatong, Laos King, and Lao-Hmong citizenship in one universal factual "Magical Word". (No need to thank me. It is the least I can do for my fellow HA'Mong brothers and sisters ... >:D Again, I am not going to elaborate/explain as this is not a history lesson blah blah blah.) But you can easily (research) Google, Yahoo, Wiki, and whatever internet-educate yourself on "Indochina". Just know that you WILL most likely NOT find anything about Kiatong, Laos King, or Lao-Hmong citizenship in any/all scholarships on and about "Indochina", but, but if you know Hmong history -- it (all of this stuff) FITS PERFECTLY into and within "Indochina" like "Cinderella's glass slipper" ... :) .
(Now go "edumacation" yourself on "Indochina", and afterwards, if you still are clueless about Kiatong, Laos King, or Lao-Hmong citizenship -- come back and ask, and I will again point the way for you, to help further your "edumacation", aka Hmong history/facts knowledge-base ... :) .)
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To the OP, Chidorixox is a perfect example of White Hmong gone wrong...Talk too damn much with their big head.
Btw, nobody claims green these days unless they are ignorant. Yum....Hmong for dinner.
It is no huge shocker "you are a perfect example of utter Hmong ignorance", like the plethora of you US-Hmong(HA'Mung) kids ... hehehe ... :buck2:
(And that is not even including Green, White, Red, Black, Striped, Yellow etc. etc. Hmong yet ... LOL Yup, you are utterly clues ... hehehe ... >:D)
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Actually I'm the perfect example of confused hmong. ;D
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I await your magnum opus to enlighten us ignorant ha-mong. Please help us. We are so utterly Hmong ignorant.
Like they say...better to have the blind lead the blind....then a half blind who leads us all. :2funny:
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A problem I encountered is a white hmong who do not understand what I'm saying when I speak in green dialect. It's to the point where I have to think and say some words in white dialect. I'm like seriously??? Soo stupid. Hahaha
LOL...ha ha.
shhh...cuz the "green" dialect are more talented speakers. They can speak "white dialect" cuz they have a bigger lexicon. shhhh. >:D
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Don't know. :)
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Green died more during war in Laos, White holds more higher rank.
Green accepts, White refuses (i.e. letter from public school to parents in Green Dialect. White people will complain and wind until it changed but vice versa if it was the other way).
A green youtuber was asked and even demanded that he talk in white on YouTube.com.
Green will talk in white dialect to white people, but never the other way, in fact there were several times they demanded speak to them in white.
Green kisses more a$$ and bow down to White (see all youtube.com, songs/music, public speeches, a lot of these people are Green but only do in White).
list can go on...……..