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Academic => General Education => Topic started by: Succubus on May 01, 2013, 03:45:23 AM
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I have know a few principals who would change the grades of students. I was told this is unethical but still legal. Their motive is simple. They do not want any of their students held back. This will reflect poorly on the school and may affect their state funds.
1) Do you believe that students should be held back if they are not making the grades? What if that is you or if you have kids, what if that is your child. Do you want to be in the same grade as your younger sibling?
2) Do you think it's OK for principals to change grades. Money trumps everything?
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It is wrong. It is cheating. If it is the principals doing it, it is corrupted to the core.
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Don't they have to test them out of class?
All thought all graduating seniors have to take that final exam to pass.
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Where are the facts to prove your post? That is illegal on so many different levels its not even funny.
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Where are the facts to prove your post? That is illegal on so many different levels its not even funny.
The Hmong school in Milwaukee is one of them. The principal, Chris Her Xiong, has been changing grades since she started that school. Another principal in the south side of Milwaukee at a charter is also doing the same. Lastly, one school in Madison is also guilty.
With my career, I encountered some very unhappy teachers. I know four teachers who left the hmong school, Hmong American Peace Academy on this very premise. Legally, this great state of Wisconsin does not have a law against this...yet. Due to confidentialit y, I cannot disclose their names. This is true for the other schools as well.
The objectives of these principals are:
1) Maintain a positive academic record
2) Get more money from the state
3) On record, their students are successful
4) Parents threaten to take their kids out if they are held back
5) Unsuspecting parents will think that their kids are getting a great education.
Trust me, if there are any legal grounds, lawsuits would have been filed. My suggestion to parents looking for a new school for their kids, do not talk to the principals! Talk to the teachers, but make sure it if off school grounds. Buy them coffee or lunch. The teachers will tell you what is really going on. Ask them if any of their kids attend that school?
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You want to keep is confidential but you named a principal already.
I don't think that shit would fly in MN though.
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I think you forgot about the "No Child Left Behind" act. No child is held back and have to move on each year even if they don't do well. I know my husband got question about this during his interview for the Ed.D program last week. There is pros and cons to it. I agreed to the answer my husband gave them. He did well on his interview and got accepted to the program.
School can cheat, etc. Its all about $$$ just like any social services program out there. The more people you have enroll or going there for the service is the more $$$/funds you get and then it can branch out to them opening more program/service. When there is a school budget crisis it is when they have to revised everything and all the changes can look bad or not something you expect but there are time you see it is good. Right now, I really like the changes they made to our school district here but it will probably take about 2 year the most for it to be effective.
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The Hmong school in Milwaukee is one of them. The principal, Chris Her Xiong, has been changing grades since she started that school. Another principal in the south side of Milwaukee at a charter is also doing the same. Lastly, one school in Madison is also guilty.
With my career, I encountered some very unhappy teachers. I know four teachers who left the hmong school, Hmong American Peace Academy on this very premise. Legally, this great state of Wisconsin does not have a law against this...yet. Due to confidentialit y, I cannot disclose their names. This is true for the other schools as well.
The objectives of these principals are:
1) Maintain a positive academic record
2) Get more money from the state
3) On record, their students are successful
4) Parents threaten to take their kids out if they are held back
5) Unsuspecting parents will think that their kids are getting a great education.
Trust me, if there are any legal grounds, lawsuits would have been filed. My suggestion to parents looking for a new school for their kids, do not talk to the principals! Talk to the teachers, but make sure it if off school grounds. Buy them coffee or lunch. The teachers will tell you what is really going on. Ask them if any of their kids attend that school?
Are you sure you are not Nceeg?
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I think you forgot about the "No Child Left Behind" act. No child is held back and have to move on each year even if they don't do well. I know my husband got question about this during his interview for the Ed.D program last week. There is pros and cons to it. I agreed to the answer my husband gave them. He did well on his interview and got accepted to the program.
School can cheat, etc. Its all about $$$ just like any social services program out there. The more people you have enroll or going there for the service is the more $$$/funds you get and then it can branch out to them opening more program/service. When there is a school budget crisis it is when they have to revised everything and all the changes can look bad or not something you expect but there are time you see it is good. Right now, I really like the changes they made to our school district here but it will probably take about 2 year the most for it to be effective.
With more cuts in the educational programs, the US wonders why they cannot compete with other nations. That is why school administrative s are forced to be creative to squeeze out as much money as they can. I understand the policy of No Child Left Behind, but this does not work in larger and poorer cities. Hence the rich gets smarter and the poor gets dumber.
Are you sure you are not Nceeg?
I believe you asked me this question before? My answer was an emphatic 'No', but now I'm not so sure.
How could I have been so careless! Thought I covered my tracks pretty good. I was afraid the writing style might give me away. I must do a better job of differentiatin g them. I shall have to log in as Nceeg next time. Maybe Succubus has run her course. Hmmm... :-X
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Are you sure you are not Nceeg?
oh. fuc.kingWingDu cky,
Got a PM to debunk you that s/he is not me. Fu.ck why I care. Fock off my case...I"m not him or her. Thank you.
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With more cuts in the educational programs, the US wonders why they cannot compete with other nations. That is why school administrative s are forced to be creative to squeeze out as much money as they can. I understand the policy of No Child Left Behind, but this does not work in larger and poorer cities. Hence the rich gets smarter and the poor gets dumber.
I believe you asked me this question before? My answer was an emphatic 'No', but now I'm not so sure.
How could I have been so careless! Thought I covered my tracks pretty good. I was afraid the writing style might give me away. I must do a better job of differentiatin g them. I shall have to log in as Nceeg next time. Maybe Succubus has run her course. Hmmm... :-X
LOL...too funny. I didn't know I write so well!! thanks.
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LOL...too funny. I didn't know I write so well!! thanks.
That's why I suspect you two are not the same person.
But I must say you two share similar personality. But you are a bit more extreme.
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there are always loop holes in the education system.
where funds are for one program yet that program never saw any of it.
as for principals.... this happens in public schools as well where administrators monopolize on your child's future. the principal may even dictates who becomes class president even if all voted for another etc.
even attendance.... school will take attendance by the method that will grant them the most $$$.
corruptions happens everywhere.
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I would like to go observe these charter schools just to see how they are like. I only kinda recently found out that hmongs have thier own schools. I was like wow! That's fantastic but then I was like.... It is just hmongs running it.... So I was like less wowed....
I don't know much the difference between public and chartered s hoops but I think I'd prefer a regular public school. All my teachers were pretty much quality teachers. I guess I just got lucky.
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I would like to go observe these charter schools just to see how they are like. I only kinda recently found out that hmongs have thier own schools. I was like wow! That's fantastic but then I was like.... It is just hmongs running it.... So I was like less wowed....
I don't know much the difference between public and chartered s hoops but I think I'd prefer a regular public school. All my teachers were pretty much quality teachers. I guess I just got lucky.
and why would you not be awed at an all run by hmong school? hmong people have alot of potential... and most are smarter then your average mekas dawb who is a superintendent too.
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and why would you not be awed at an all run by hmong school? hmong people have alot of potential... and most are smarter then your average mekas dawb who is a superintendent too.
The thing is, it just seems hmong's aren't that professional, to me anyways. Yeah we can be professionals when we're working for other companies that's not hmong run, etc etc etc. But dang, when a hmong person run their business, for example a school, I have my doubts.
Just seem like they are just hmongs playing around. Obviously, this is just my opinion, I'd love to go observe the workings and how it's run. Maybe it'll change my mind about things.
For example if hmongs were to open up a bank, I don't think i'd bankg there, I'd probably pick a established establishment.
Maybe after 100 years hmong schools will have progress to where they are more distanced from the hmong community and are able to run their programs and agenda's objectively.
I've had some very awesome public school teachers, I don't know how hmong teacher's would compare to them. Not putting them down or anything.
This is just my opinion, I'm just rambling, please don't be offended folks!
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The thing is, it just seems hmong's aren't that professional, to me anyways. Yeah we can be professionals when we're working for other companies that's not hmong run, etc etc etc. But dang, when a hmong person run their business, for example a school, I have my doubts.
Just seem like they are just hmongs playing around. Obviously, this is just my opinion, I'd love to go observe the workings and how it's run. Maybe it'll change my mind about things.
For example if hmongs were to open up a bank, I don't think i'd bankg there, I'd probably pick a established establishment.
Maybe after 100 years hmong schools will have progress to where they are more distanced from the hmong community and are able to run their programs and agenda's objectively.
I've had some very awesome public school teachers, I don't know how hmong teacher's would compare to them. Not putting them down or anything.
This is just my opinion, I'm just rambling, please don't be offended folks!
i seen how mekas dawb ppl fun public schools... and yes.... they know how to find loop holes too.
but what is important here is that we have hmong ppl managing hmong schools. it's a start. maybe it's not as good as you may have hoped but hmong have come pretty far now.
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all at the top are bent no matter what what race.
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I have know a few principals who would change the grades of students. I was told this is unethical but still legal. Their motive is simple. They do not want any of their students held back. This will reflect poorly on the school and may affect their state funds.
1) Do you believe that students should be held back if they are not making the grades? What if that is you or if you have kids, what if that is your child. Do you want to be in the same grade as your younger sibling?
2) Do you think it's OK for principals to change grades. Money trumps everything?
With standardized testing, grades matter less and less. That being said, extensive longitudinal studies show that after the third grade, students being held back will likely still never catch up to their peers. The key is to figure out the root cause and help the student succeed through a different method. Many states have a tiered system of support however general Ed teachers have not been adequately trained to differentiate for all students. Universal Design is a great instructional concept but requires teachers to think completely different about what it means to educate.
Getting back to your question, I've never heard of a school recieving more state funding because of grades. Grades in itself is too subjective hence standardized testing. This year, 21 states have signed on to pilot the new PARCC assessments to level the educational expectations across all states.
Also, legally no principal can retain a student without the agreement of the parent.