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Title: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: Dok_Champa on July 01, 2019, 03:42:20 PM
Ok, I'm trying to learn more about this candidate.  He says if he becomes president, he's going to give every citizen over 18 years old $1000 each month.  My question, how is he going to do this?  Where does the money comes from?  Anyone know?
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: Reporter on July 01, 2019, 03:57:07 PM
Taxes for sure.


Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: hmgROCK on July 02, 2019, 07:16:16 AM
Ok, I'm trying to learn more about this candidate.  He says if he becomes president, he's going to give every citizen over 18 years old $1000 each month.  My question, how is he going to do this?  Where does the money comes from?  Anyone know?

they call it the universal basic income
its money for you to live
you can pay your rent, bill, or buy booze, whatever....

with a steady income
you can focus on job and your passion, that don't pay good aka (artist, support, family, craft, etc...)


many ways to fund this
but the easily is to just cut some of the defense budget
we don't need 3,000 whatever many bases the US have all over the world
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: YAX on July 02, 2019, 08:53:30 AM
Ok, I'm trying to learn more about this candidate.  He says if he becomes president, he's going to give every citizen over 18 years old $1000 each month.  My question, how is he going to do this?  Where does the money comes from?  Anyone know?
We keep saying that about Trump's wall and he kept telling us Mexico was gonna pay for  it.  If we believe Trump, why not give this guy a chance?  I'd prefer $1K over a wall to fend off mexicans.
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: Reporter on July 02, 2019, 09:52:03 AM
The border isn't just used by Mexicans. Most Latinos come through that border.

We keep saying that about Trump's wall and he kept telling us Mexico was gonna pay for  it.  If we believe Trump, why not give this guy a chance?  I'd prefer $1K over a wall to fend off mexicans.
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: hmgROCK on July 02, 2019, 10:40:56 AM
We keep saying that about Trump's wall and he kept telling us Mexico was gonna pay for  it.  If we believe Trump, why not give this guy a chance?  I'd prefer $1K over a wall to fend off mexicans.

im tired of these wall fight at this point
just give the dude the money and be done
and moved onto healthcare and homeless problem
and gun violence
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: YAX on July 02, 2019, 01:45:49 PM
The border isn't just used by Mexicans. Most Latinos come through that border.
yeah, the Latinos from those three Mexican countries that Fox news mentioned. Lol
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: Dok_Champa on July 02, 2019, 02:08:02 PM
Ok, it seems like Andrew Yang's main platform is UBI, he needs to explain how he's going to pay for this in simpler term so the rest of America can understand and support him.  In many of his campaign, he didn't say much other then having those rich tech giant like Amazon pay their fair share of taxes which pays for UBI and benefits of UBI is when people have $$ they spend $$ which generates more $$, his philosophy. 
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: w1s3m0n on July 02, 2019, 09:53:54 PM
How would we pay for Universal Basic Income?
It would be easier than you might think. Andrew proposes funding UBI by consolidating some welfare programs and implementing a Value-Added Tax (VAT) of 10%. Current welfare and social program beneficiaries would be given a choice between their current benefits or $1,000 cash unconditionall y – most would prefer cash with no restriction.

A Value-Added Tax (VAT) is a tax on the production of goods or services a business produces. It is a fair tax and it makes it much harder for large corporations, who are experts at hiding profits and income, to avoid paying their fair share. A VAT is nothing new. 160 out of 193 countries in the world already have a Value-Added Tax or something similar, including all of Europe which has an average VAT of 20 percent.

The means to pay for a Universal Basic Income will come from 4 sources:

1.  Current spending.  We currently spend between $500 and $600 billion a year on welfare programs, food stamps, disability and the like.  This reduces the cost of Universal Basic Income because people already receiving benefits would have a choice but would be ineligible to receive the full $1,000 in addition to current benefits.

Additionally, we currently spend over one trillion dollars on health care, incarceration, homelessness services and the like.  We would save $100 – 200+ billion as people would take better care of themselves and avoid the emergency room, jail, and the street and would generally be more functional.  Universal Basic Income would pay for itself by helping people avoid our institutions, which is when our costs shoot up.  Some studies have shown that $1 to a poor parent will result in as much as $7 in cost-savings and economic growth.

2.  A VAT.  Our economy is now incredibly vast at $19 trillion, up $4 trillion in the last 10 years alone.  A VAT at half the European level would generate $800 billion in new revenue.  A VAT will become more and more important as technology improves because you cannot collect income tax from robots or software.

3.  New revenue.  Putting money into the hands of American consumers would grow the economy.  The Roosevelt Institute projected that the economy would grow by approximately $2.5 trillion and create 4.6 million new jobs.  This would generate approximately $800 – 900 billion in new revenue from economic growth and activity.

4.  Taxes on top earners and pollution.  By removing the Social Security cap, implementing a financial transactions tax, and ending the favorable tax treatment for capital gains/carried interest, we can decrease financial speculation while also funding the Freedom Dividend.  We can add to that a carbon fee that will be partially dedicated to funding the Freedom Dividend, making up the remaining balance required to cover the cost of this program.

Source: https://www.yang2020.com/what-is-ubi/ (https://www.yang2020.com/what-is-ubi/)
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: joot on July 03, 2019, 08:31:47 AM
As much as I like Andrew Yang and his ideas.  But after careful analysis of past U.S. Presidential processes it is not how good your domestic or foreign policies are.  It's the shadowy people rallying behind you that gets you elected.   
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: hmgROCK on July 03, 2019, 08:38:39 AM
As much as I like Andrew Yang and his ideas.  But after careful analysis of past U.S. Presidential processes it is not how good your domestic or foreign policies are.  It's the shadowy people rallying behind you that gets you elected.

yup    O0
someone is pulling the string
and making the puppet's mouth move

(http://media.coveringmedia.com/media/images/movies/2011/10/16/elmo_01.jpg)
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: Gucci K on July 03, 2019, 08:39:30 AM
Ok, it seems like Andrew Yang's main platform is UBI, he needs to explain how he's going to pay for this in simpler term so the rest of America can understand and support him.  In many of his campaign, he didn't say much other then having those rich tech giant like Amazon pay their fair share of taxes which pays for UBI and benefits of UBI is when people have $$ they spend $$ which generates more $$, his philosophy.

here's the problem...thes e new radical socialist democrats are offering free everything by taxing the rich and large multibillion$$$ companies (proposing up to 70%)...what makes you think the rich or these companies will stay in this country?  they have means and will power to go where ever they want, they will take their company, their jobs and their money, away from americans (U B N I).  any other country would welcome them with cheaper labor and still be taxed free.  we would be lucky to have a dish washing job (and hope that it pays under the table).

andrew yang will go..."here's your $1000 but oh wait, we gotta take 70% of that first because all the rich people and their companies are gone, which leaves you with $300!"

the average monthly income of $3500 will be reduced to $1050, take home.  try living on that!

sure you got free healthcare, but where are the nurses and doctors?  ain't nobody gonna want to get in that field of work, working 50-60 hours a week and get taxed 70% of their income!  private practice, specialized doctors will be eliminated. 

having done the MATH (his slogan)...he has the best platform among his competitors but it's not going to work.


oh...last but not least, since trump was a russian spy, i would not be surprised if he's a chinese spy! ha!
 
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: hmgROCK on July 03, 2019, 08:43:11 AM
here's the problem...thes e new radical socialist democrats are offering free everything by taxing the rich and large multibillion$$$ companies (proposing up to 70%)...what makes you think the rich or these companies will stay in this country?  they have means and will power to go where ever they want, they will take their company, their jobs and their money, away from americans (U and I).  any other country would welcome them with cheaper labor and still be taxed free.  we would be lucky to have a dish washing job (and hope that it pays under the table).

andrew yang will go..."here's your $1000 but oh wait, we gotta take 70% of that first because all the rich people and their companies are gone, which leaves you with $300!"

the average monthly income of $3500 will be reduced to $1050, take home.  try living on that!

sure you got free healthcare, but where are the nurses and doctors?  ain't nobody gonna want to get in that field of work, working 50-60 hours a week and get taxed 70% of their income!  private practice, specialized doctors will be eliminated. 

having done the MATH (his slogan)...he has the best idea among his competitors but it's not going to work.

don't matter
a lot of these unamerican billionaire ain't paying their fair share of taxes anyways
many of them are paying zero taxes
got off shore account
shell company

AMAZON PAID ZERO FED TAXES
LET THAT SINK IN A BIT
THE LARGEST ONLINE RETAIL PAID ZERO FED TAXES


(I AGREE WITH TRUMP ON THIS ON, MR BEZO NEED TO STOP SCREWING US)


let them go to africa and get murder by kaydoo   O0 O0
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: Gucci K on July 03, 2019, 09:08:13 AM
don't matter
a lot of these unamerican billionaire ain't paying their fair share of taxes anyways
many of them are paying zero taxes
got off shore account
shell company

AMAZON PAID ZERO FED TAXES

let them go to africa and get murder by kaydoo   O0 O0
LOL...these multibillion$$ companies' tax revenues far out weighs the tax incentives.  take, for example, that amazon deal in ny...it was estimated $3billion incentive to amazon, but $27billion in tax revenues for the city.  there is no idiot in this world would falter on this deal...oh wait there is...AOC!! ha!

if amazon goes to vietnam, guaranteed to be one of the riches country in asia.  if fb or google goes to another country, guaranteed you will be charged a fee for a free account (this is where VAT, comes into play).

FYI...africa is gonna be called china2, pretty soon!
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: hmgROCK on July 03, 2019, 09:19:35 AM
LOL...these multibillion$$ companies' tax revenues far out weighs the tax incentives.  take, for example, that amazon deal in ny...it was estimated $3billion incentive to amazon, but $27billion in tax revenues for the city.  there is no idiot in this world would falter on this deal...oh wait there is...AOC!! ha!

if amazon goes to vietnam, guaranteed to be one of the riches country in asia.  if fb or google goes to another country, guaranteed you will be charged a fee for a free account (this is where VAT, comes into play).

FYI...africa is gonna be called china2, pretty soon!

no, bro (i do accounting work)
that the employee (aka the worker/warehouse) paying taxes
amazon will probably paid zero taxes for years to come
they get taxes credit from the state meaning amazon (the company itself will owe zero taxes)

it just a baddddd deal

even TRUMP KNOW THESE

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-is-jealous-that-amazons-bezos-is-better-at-avoiding-taxes-2018-04-04 (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-is-jealous-that-amazons-bezos-is-better-at-avoiding-taxes-2018-04-04)

Trump has tweeted repeatedly that Amazon AMZN, +0.26%  doesn’t pay any sales tax on the things it sells. And he complained that Amazon is so good at the art of the deal that the U.S. Postal Service loses money on each one of the millions of packages it delivers for the online retail giant.

Amazon avoids $20.4 billion in sales taxes

Dean Baker and Evan Butcher did a rough calculation showing that if Amazon had always been required to collect sales taxes, it would have collected a total of $20.4 billion in sales taxes from its founding in 1994 through 2015, which is more than twice its lifetime profits of around $9.1 billion.

But wait — there’s more tax avoidance!

Amazon barely pays any federal income tax at all. Part of that is its strategy to avoid booking any profits for years, preferring to invest everything back into the business. But part of Amazon’s low tax rate is the result of aggressive tax planning.
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: lifemystery on July 26, 2019, 06:28:50 AM
Keep in mind. Not everyone is going to get UBI & it's not a cure for all.

1. You need to be at least 18yrs old.
2. You need to be a US citizen.
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: lexicon on July 26, 2019, 09:08:09 AM
www.in2013dollars.com/1984-dollars-in-2018?amount=100 (http://www.in2013dollars.com/1984-dollars-in-2018?amount=100)

"UBI" would be another quick fix or just another band-aid.
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: YAX on July 26, 2019, 10:01:39 AM
www.in2013dollars.com/1984-dollars-in-2018?amount=100 (http://www.in2013dollars.com/1984-dollars-in-2018?amount=100)

"UBI" would be another quick fix or just another band-aid.
Hey, a band-aid is a useful tool.  Covers the wound and stops the bleeding.  Take the band-aid.  Please take the band-aid!  It's better than letting the leaky blood get all over the place.
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: lexicon on July 26, 2019, 10:11:31 AM
Hey, a band-aid is a useful tool.  Covers the wound and stops the bleeding.  Take the band-aid.  Please take the band-aid!  It's better than letting the leaky blood get all over the place.

WE can fix the underlying issue. But those in power understand how division keeps THEM in power with all the benefits so they play their political games.

Either way I'm neither for nor against his proposal but I do want everyone to understand there are long term solutions that are better alternatives.
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: YAX on July 26, 2019, 10:13:02 AM
<I>WE</i> can fix the underlying issue. But those in power understand how division keeps <I>THEM</I> in power with all the benefits so they play their political games.

Either way I'm neither for nor against his proposal but I do want everyone to understand there are long term solutions that are better alternatives.
Until someone comes up with a real fix, take the band-aid.  Don't let it bleed, waiting for a real fix that may never come.  Don't listen to those who lie to you that band-aids won't help.  It does.
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: lexicon on July 26, 2019, 10:48:48 AM
Until someone comes up with a real fix, take the band-aid.  Don't let it bleed, waiting for a real fix that may never come.  Don't listen to those who lie to you that band-aids won't help.  It does.

I'll play the Devil's Advocate here and ask how do we police it so it'll won't become another welfare program and have the same failings?
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: YAX on July 26, 2019, 10:58:45 AM
I'll play the Devil's Advocate here and ask how do we police it so it'll won't become another welfare program and have the same failings?
The idea with "Universal" is everyone gets it.
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: lexicon on July 26, 2019, 11:12:32 AM
The idea with "Universal" is everyone gets it.

I understand that. What would prevent someone from trying to live off that income alone? Some families live off less than that at the moment.

Do we then eliminate the welfare program/s entirely?
Do we just consider this as "additional" income and not sole income?
If I have 5 adult children and 1 pair of parents under one household, would their combined income be $7000.00 a month?

My concern is the difference between UBI ($1000.00/month) vs ($250.00-$750.00/month) for welfare. Numbers aren't exact but the point is we're talking about a significantly larger sum being dispersed to individuals.
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: YAX on July 26, 2019, 01:40:37 PM
I understand that. What would prevent someone from trying to live off that income alone? Some families live off less than that at the moment.

Do we then eliminate the welfare program/s entirely?
Do we just consider this as "additional" income and not sole income?
If I have 5 adult children and 1 pair of parents under one household, would their combined income be $7000.00 a month?

My concern is the difference between UBI ($1000.00/month) vs ($250.00-$750.00/month) for welfare. Numbers aren't exact but the point is we're talking about a significantly larger sum being dispersed to individuals.
If they want to live off that alone, I'd say that was their choice, but it'll help them from living on the streets with nothing to their name. Details can be worked out.  Check out the Alaska Permanent fund and see how Alaska is doing it. I don't think any of them are complaining about getting money each year.
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: Dok_Champa on September 11, 2019, 09:09:11 AM
The more I listen to this guy, the more I am interested.  He brings fresh ideas to the table and he's a realist.  He's right we're losing alot of jobs to automation.  In my city alone, many stores and even Malls are closing.  The ones that are still operating barely get by - not what they used to be.  Even jobs, etc.  I live in a manufacturing state and we're losing manufacturing jobs and not gaining much.

Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: YAX on September 11, 2019, 09:32:15 AM
To help put you at ease:

Quote
A 2018 study in Alaska, where residents have gotten a share of the state’s oil revenue every year since 1982, found the money has not shrunk the state’s labor force. The same was found in a 2010 UCLA study in North Carolina, where the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians has shared casino revenue with its members since the mid-1990s.
- USATODAY
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: Believe_N_Me on September 15, 2019, 02:12:33 PM
Hey, a band-aid is a useful tool.  Covers the wound and stops the bleeding.  Take the band-aid.  Please take the band-aid!  It's better than letting the leaky blood get all over the place.

I'm pretty sure bandaids are not meant to stop leaky blood. To stop bleeding you're suppose to apply pressure on the wound and then soak up blood with gauze. The bandaid is used to cover up the wound and there may be some leftover blood leakage. But to stop leaky blood you don't simply just use a bandaid.
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: Believe_N_Me on September 15, 2019, 02:22:27 PM
To help put you at ease:
 - USATODAY

You do realize what is funding Alaska's dividend, right? Yang is trying to fund UBI with automation. I see too many problems with it. First and foremost, whomever controls automation will control the government and essentially the people. If you think you hate big corporation, just wait until your UBI depends on them. Some people will stop working altogether if they think UBI is enough. That means that check you are waiting for at the end of the month is controlled by Ford, or GM, or Boeing, etc. Secondly, what happens when these industries decide to go their separate way or new technological advances change automation? In other words, automation goes bust.

You people only think on the surface level. You are shallow and do not have the wisdom to see deadly unintended consequences. That's what laziness coupled with greed does.

It's like universal healthcare. Do you really want the government deciding your healthcare? Once they control it, what is stopping them from issuing mandatory vaccination (and I don't mean the typical Rubella and Measles). I mean rolling out tests from big pharma companies. Low income areas will for sure be used as guinea pigs. 

You don't think big pharma will donate to a political candidate in the hopes that the government will issue mandates where people are used as guinea pigs?
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: YAX on September 16, 2019, 09:23:54 AM
You do realize what is funding Alaska's dividend, right? Yang is trying to fund UBI with automation. I see too many problems with it. First and foremost, whomever controls automation will control the government and essentially the people. If you think you hate big corporation, just wait until your UBI depends on them. Some people will stop working altogether if they think UBI is enough. That means that check you are waiting for at the end of the month is controlled by Ford, or GM, or Boeing, etc. Secondly, what happens when these industries decide to go their separate way or new technological advances change automation? In other words, automation goes bust.

You people only think on the surface level. You are shallow and do not have the wisdom to see deadly unintended consequences. That's what laziness coupled with greed does.

It's like universal healthcare. Do you really want the government deciding your healthcare? Once they control it, what is stopping them from issuing mandatory vaccination (and I don't mean the typical Rubella and Measles). I mean rolling out tests from big pharma companies. Low income areas will for sure be used as guinea pigs. 

You don't think big pharma will donate to a political candidate in the hopes that the government will issue mandates where people are used as guinea pigs?
Oh great. Now you're claiming to be smarter than Yang.  Why not give him a chance to prove his point, instead of blocking progress?  Oh yeah, because it would mean he would prove you wrong and you can't have that; therefore you need to block his ideas before they become reality just to save face. 
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: YAX on September 16, 2019, 09:30:00 AM
The more I listen to this guy, the more I am interested.  He brings fresh ideas to the table and he's a realist.  He's right we're losing alot of jobs to automation.  In my city alone, many stores and even Malls are closing.  The ones that are still operating barely get by - not what they used to be.  Even jobs, etc.  I live in a manufacturing state and we're losing manufacturing jobs and not gaining much.
  Yeah, couple months ago, I had a republican friend.  He's republican mainly because he listens to Republican talk shows and their angry yelling at everything progressive appealed to him, but he had change attitudes against Trump since seeing the things Trump has done.  He was still strictly Republican though, so I told him about Andrew Yang and the $1K that Yang is proposing.  He said, he's never heard of Yang so I encouraged him to do his research.  Last weekend, when we talked again, he was all about Yang. HAHA!!  I think he forgot I mentioned it to him, but he kept talking about Yang after he watched the videos of the guy speaking on youtube.  He said, he's never donated to any political candidate before but he actually gave $30 to Yang.  He's a Yang Gang now.  I guess I'll have to start paying more attention to Yang too if he can convince this guy to turn around.  ;D O0 O0
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: YAX on September 16, 2019, 11:36:00 AM
For those who keep arguing against the $1K/month and how it will be funded, here's what Yang says about it (from the horse's mouth):

Quote
It would be easier than you might think. Andrew proposes funding the Freedom Dividend by consolidating some welfare programs and implementing a Value Added Tax of 10 percent. Current welfare and social program beneficiaries would be given a choice between their current benefits or $1,000 cash unconditionall y – most would prefer cash with no restriction.

A Value Added Tax (VAT) is a tax on the production of goods or services a business produces. It is a fair tax and it makes it much harder for large corporations, who are experts at hiding profits and income, to avoid paying their fair share. A VAT is nothing new. 160 out of 193 countries in the world already have a Value Added Tax or something similar, including all of Europe which has an average VAT of 20 percent.

The means to pay for the basic income will come from four sources:

1. Current spending: We currently spend between $500 and $600 billion a year on welfare programs, food stamps, disability and the like. This reduces the cost of the Freedom Dividend because people already receiving benefits would have a choice between keeping their current benefits and the $1,000, and would not receive both.

Additionally, we currently spend over 1 trillion dollars on health care, incarceration, homelessness services and the like. We would save $100 – 200+ billion as people would be able to take better care of themselves and avoid the emergency room, jail, and the street and would generally be more functional. The Freedom Dividend would pay for itself by helping people avoid our institutions, which is when our costs shoot up. Some studies have shown that $1 to a poor parent will result in as much as $7 in cost-savings and economic growth.

2. A VAT: Our economy is now incredibly vast at $19 trillion, up $4 trillion in the last 10 years alone. A VAT at half the European level would generate $800 billion in new revenue A VAT will become more and more important as technology improves because you cannot collect income tax from robots or software.

3. New revenue: Putting money into the hands of American consumers would grow the economy. The Roosevelt Institute projected that the economy will grow by approximately $2.5 trillion and create 4.6 million new jobs. This would generate approximately $800 – 900 billion in new revenue from economic growth.

4. Taxes on top earners and pollution: By removing the Social Security cap, implementing a financial transactions tax, and ending the favorable tax treatment for capital gains/carried interest, we can decrease financial speculation while also funding the Freedom Dividend. We can add to that a carbon fee that will be partially dedicated to funding the Freedom Dividend, making up the remaining balance required to cover the cost of this program.
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: theking on September 16, 2019, 12:56:39 PM
  Yeah, couple months ago, I had a republican friend.

I bet that person's name starts with B... _N_ ends with e...since you share similar traits.. ;D ???
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: Ma|3Strang3r on September 17, 2019, 12:40:39 PM

How much taxes do  you pay to the Government every month? Minimum $600-$1000 right?
How are we going to fund the Freedom Dividend?  $1000 from the Government. That's just my own money cycling back to me.
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: YAX on September 17, 2019, 01:38:21 PM
How much taxes do  you pay to the Government every month? Minimum $600-$1000 right?
How are we going to fund the Freedom Dividend?  $1000 from the Government. That's just my own money cycling back to me.
Read above. It won't be coming from poor people.  Big corporations like Amazon where Jeff Bezos is currently making $11.5 Million/hr  (that's right, you read it correctly, it's PER HOUR) will be covering much of the cost.  It's called the Value Added Tax and it's levied on corporations, not people.
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: hmgROCK on September 17, 2019, 02:13:02 PM
Why not?

I rather it go

1. Help people eat
2. Housing
3. Road
4. Healthcare

Etc...

Than going to the war effort
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: Gucci K on September 18, 2019, 10:40:22 AM
As much as I like this guy, I don't think he stand a chance of being nominated as the democratic primary.  his platform is great, probably best out of all the contenders.  his 1k per person is probably the best thing going for him. however, in case some of you don't know...in order to get that 1k, his proposal would have to go through congress and approved (that is how politics works).  Just because he's president, you don't automatically get the 1k.  i highly doubt, if he is elected, no one will get the 1k. we'll all be stuck with a asian president who has no experience in foreign policy, no infrastructure qualifications, no border control, and a deflated wall street.  if he should win, we  may have to recount the ballots...we only have 3.52 million people, where did the other 1 billion ballots come from? we would be ruled by china! ha!
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: Ma|3Strang3r on September 18, 2019, 02:07:53 PM
Read above. It won't be coming from poor people.  Big corporations like Amazon where Jeff Bezos is currently making $11.5 Million/hr  (that's right, you read it correctly, it's PER HOUR) will be covering much of the cost.  It's called the Value Added Tax and it's levied on corporations, not people.

Oh, I know the majority of UBI will come from big corp like Amazon, google, Microsoft, etc. etc.. but speaking only on a personal level, that $1K is just my own money I pay taxes coming back to me every month.
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: YAX on September 20, 2019, 09:15:53 AM
Oh, I know the majority of UBI will come from big corp like Amazon, google, Microsoft, etc. etc.. but speaking only on a personal level, that $1K is just my own money I pay taxes coming back to me every month.
That's a good thing, right? I mean.. Why would you'd rather just pay taxes and not get $1K back every month?
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: lifemystery on September 23, 2019, 01:49:44 PM
Those who are against the Freedom Dividend rather give money to billionaires and politicians. The rich gets richer, the middle class is getting poor, the poor gets poorer.
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: lexicon on September 23, 2019, 02:01:15 PM
As much as I like this guy, I don't think he stand a chance of being nominated as the democratic primary.  his platform is great, probably best out of all the contenders.  his 1k per person is probably the best thing going for him. however, in case some of you don't know...in order to get that 1k, his proposal would have to go through congress and approved (that is how politics works).  Just because he's president, you don't automatically get the 1k.  i highly doubt, if he is elected, no one will get the 1k. we'll all be stuck with a asian president who has no experience in foreign policy, no infrastructure qualifications, no border control, and a deflated wall street.  if he should win, we  may have to recount the ballots...we only have 3.52 million people, where did the other 1 billion ballots come from? we would be ruled by china! ha!

What's good for Russia should be good for China, right?

He could at the very least try to hide it on the last page of some bill that the opposing party drafted. Hah!
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: Gucci K on September 24, 2019, 07:59:15 AM
What's good for Russia should be good for China, right?

He could at the very least try to hide it on the last page of some bill that the opposing party drafted. Hah!
LOL...hide it in his free healthcare bill...1k from the government for medical bills. ha!
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: YAX on September 24, 2019, 10:44:11 AM
LOL...hide it in his free healthcare bill...1k from the government for medical bills. ha!
  Why wouldn't you want $1K/month, ZDN?
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: lexicon on September 24, 2019, 11:21:19 AM
  Why wouldn't you want $1K/month, ZDN?

Rich people probs. I call dibs on his portion!
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: Gucci K on September 25, 2019, 08:32:52 AM
  Why wouldn't you want $1K/month, ZDN?
Rich people probs. I call dibs on his portion!
LOL....not that i don't want it...realistic ally, it is not sustainable.  america will probably go broke before his term is even over.
 
first of all, america is a lazy country, give them free stuff and they will sit back and receive them.   

taxes will have to be raised (up to 70%, proposed by some democrats) for those who works.  taking home 30cents of your dollar, will make you want to quit working as well.  you've already got the general population not working, now half, if not more of the workforce quitting...ain't nobody gonna work (no work, no tax deductions, no money for the government to give out).  why even work when, you got free healthcare?  just think of this as if a person just won the lottery...do you think he will want to work?  this is exactly what's gonna be...winning the lottery and taking he annuity...but in this scenario...nob ody plays the lottery anymore, because everyone is a winner.  how is the lottery gonna pay you with no income?

andrew thinks he can raise tax revenues on large corporations.. .maybe he can but when he does, these large companies will leave america and make another country greater (china, india, vietnam). 

i would rather earn my money and take home with minimal tax deductions.  if andrew yang becomes president, i will have 10 social security numbers and 10 wives with 10 different social security numbers, each!   you can calculate how much money i make without working! ha!

Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: hmgROCK on September 25, 2019, 12:15:00 PM
ZDN

Why you act like you got billion $$$
And this is going deeply affect you

Lol

You’re on the picket line along with the rest of us
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: Gucci K on September 26, 2019, 08:17:37 AM
ZDN

Why you act like you got billion $$$
And this is going deeply affect you

Lol

You’re on the picket line along with the rest of us
well, if you have as much integrity as i do and work as hard as i do...you'd be a billionaire too, if not, at least a milionaire.  you see, you're so afraid of losing your government assistance money that you limit your potential to earn more.  you could be making twice as much or even 3x what the what the government is giving you, but it seems like you want to be like those kind of people that don't want to go anywhere, improve their living standards and/or want to be filthy rich.  do you know the difference between you and your brother (both of you are from the same background and even same family)?  he chose not to be welfare...gues s where he is?  he's almost a millionaire, if not one by now!  LOL....

in all seriousness... i'm simply looking at the scenario from a realistic perspective. 1) he's not even going to be the primary nominee.  2) although his platform sounds very practical, tempting and out of the box exciting...it's not going to work for the american people or the government...n umbers just don't add right with free everything else that he's proposing (healthcare, education) but yet charging you for clean air, water and BEEF (his newest addition to his platform).  3) this would probably be most important, which relate to my comment above...it makes you dependent on the government, which in turn, controls you. 

Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: hmgROCK on September 26, 2019, 08:27:29 AM
well, if you have as much integrity as i do and work as hard as i do...you'd be a billionaire too, if not, at least a milionaire. 

So you are a Hmong billionaire???
How come your name doesn’t show up on the forbe magazine???

What a load of BS
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: theking on September 26, 2019, 09:10:56 AM
well, if you have as much integrity as i do and work as hard as i do...you'd be a billionaire too, if not, at least a milionaire.  you see, you're so afraid of losing your government assistance money that you limit your potential to earn more. 

So you are a Hmong billionaire???
How come your name doesn’t show up on the forbe magazine???

What a load of BS

LOVE IT!!!  ;D ;D ;D

Pure comedy watching the FAKE and the FRAUD arguing about who has the bigger "load of BS"...

Made my day.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: Dok_Champa on September 26, 2019, 09:58:49 AM
Andrew Yang is moving up the polls.  I haven't officially join the Yang Gang yet but of all the candidate his views make the most sense.  Joe, Elizabeth, and Bernie not much contrast between them....
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: Gucci K on September 26, 2019, 10:27:49 AM
So you are a Hmong billionaire???
How come your name doesn’t show up on the forbe magazine???

What a load of BS
i never said i was (however, i can act like one, if i wanted to), but i did say you can be one..and to be one, you can't rely on government assistance! ha!
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: Gucci K on September 26, 2019, 10:31:30 AM
LOVE IT!!!  ;D ;D ;D

Pure comedy watching the FAKE and the FRAUD arguing about who has the bigger "load of BS"...

Made my day.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
we already know, your TDS issue makes you foam at the mouth with 2 loads of....LOL!
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: hmgROCK on September 26, 2019, 11:33:22 AM
i never said i was (however, i can act like one, if i wanted to), but i did say you can be one..and to be one, you can't rely on government assistance! ha!

Its a wealth tax for the rich
It doesn’t even affect you

You don’t even make millions

Here you are foaming at the mouth
Acting like it’s going affect you
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: Gucci K on September 26, 2019, 01:49:47 PM
Its a wealth tax for the rich
It doesn’t even affect you

You don’t even make millions

Here you are foaming at the mouth
Acting like it’s going affect you
LOL...sorry you lost me?  i don't tell people who they should vote for but i do encourage one to do their research and vote for one that best fit their agenda.  you're more than welcome to join the yang gang, but you already know Trump's gonna grab you by the ball$, like he did theking! ha!
Title: Re: Andrew Yang for President
Post by: hmgROCK on September 26, 2019, 01:55:59 PM
LOL...sorry you lost me?  i don't tell people who they should vote for but i do encourage one to do their research and vote for one that best fit their agenda.  you're more than welcome to join the yang gang, but you already know Trump's gonna grab you by the ball$, like he did theking! ha!

Just pure greed
That’s all it is

If you going grab all the pies
And leave the bread crumb
You should be tax for being a greedy bastard