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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: YAX on August 23, 2019, 10:25:21 PM
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Okay, okay, we'll delay tariffs so our people can have a good Christmas..
China did what? Okay, forget Christmas, heck, who cares if our nation spirals into a resession, raise the Tariffs now!
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I agree. Whether President Trump wants to back track his tariffs, he has already piss off the Chinese; damage has already been done. The Chinese should just follow thru with their retaliation, not doing so makes them look weak. And like you say, who cares if we run into another recession... Hopefully it serves as a learning lesson to not play protectionism when the world knows the US preaches FREE TRADE & FAIRNESS.
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Do you realize that this war is just a fight between two egos? Businesses in both countries are suffering big time and they don't want this to keep up.
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It's fine... I need to lose my job anyways. I'm too tired of working, need a long break. :2funny:
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can you count up to $530 billion? yes, that is how much US is importing goods from China. when we import this much goods, it makes our (american) products looks like crap and expensive...wh en actually "made in china" products are the real cheap things (poor quality). with no tariffs imposed, it will make america more dependent on china products, hence the chinaman has been, is and will be making billions with little to no taxation. we are china's biggest consumer, when we impose tariffs, it will hurt their economy more than ours, that is why you see china wanting to get back to talks and seek a resolution.
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can you count up to $530 billion? yes, that is how much US is importing goods from China. when we import this much goods, it makes our (american) products looks like crap and expensive...wh en actually "made in china" products are the real cheap things (poor quality). with no tariffs imposed, it will make america more dependent on china products, hence the chinaman has been, is and will be making billions with little to no taxation. we are china's biggest consumer, when we impose tariffs, it will hurt their economy more than ours, that is why you see china wanting to get back to talks and seek a resolution.
uhhh.. no. appealing to ignorant people's emotions has nothing to do with reality of global economies and benefits of free trade. People believing in these types of arguments are why economists are worried about a recession.
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can you count up to $530 billion? yes, that is how much US is importing goods from China. when we import this much goods, it makes our (american) products looks like crap and expensive...wh en actually "made in china" products are the real cheap things (poor quality). with no tariffs imposed, it will make america more dependent on china products, hence the chinaman has been, is and will be making billions with little to no taxation. we are china's biggest consumer, when we impose tariffs, it will hurt their economy more than ours, that is why you see china wanting to get back to talks and seek a resolution.
Look beyond the propaganda, please.
Do you know which country many Trump products are made in? Do you know which country just gave Ivanka 21 patents for goods? If this was strictly about trade deficits then what about Mexico, India and Vietnam as a viable alternative? This bullsh*t is nothing more than a show for his voter base. It's a farce. Trump isn't the business genius some people think he is.
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can you count up to $530 billion? yes, that is how much US is importing goods from China. when we import this much goods, it makes our (american) products looks like crap and expensive...wh en actually "made in china" products are the real cheap things (poor quality). with no tariffs imposed, it will make america more dependent on china products, hence the chinaman has been, is and will be making billions with little to no taxation. we are china's biggest consumer, when we impose tariffs, it will hurt their economy more than ours, that is why you see china wanting to get back to talks and seek a resolution.
uhhh.. no. appealing to ignorant people's emotions has nothing to do with reality of global economies and benefits of free trade. People believing in these types of arguments are why economists are worried about a recession.
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uhhh.. no. appealing to ignorant people's emotions has nothing to do with reality of global economies and benefits of free trade. People believing in these types of arguments are why economists are worried about a recession.
yax,
imma have to disagree with you and go with ZDN on this one
china have really unfair trade practice
for example: they put a 25% tax on cars going to china
where the US put 2.5% tax on cars going to the USA
that's not even fair
should both be 10% (something like that, equal)
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uhhh.. no. appealing to ignorant people's emotions has nothing to do with reality of global economies and benefits of free trade. People believing in these types of arguments are why economists are worried about a recession.
yax,
imma have to disagree with you and go with ZDN on this one
china have really unfair trade practice
for example: they put a 25% tax on cars going to china
where the US put 2.5% tax on cars going to the USA
that's not even fair
should both be 10% (something like that, equal)
LOVE IT!!! ;D ;D ;D
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uhhh.. no. appealing to ignorant people's emotions has nothing to do with reality of global economies and benefits of free trade. People believing in these types of arguments are why economists are worried about a recession.
the recession talk is all wall street bullsh!t talk. they're talking themselves into believing that it will happen, it is actually the opposite...our economy is doing great but the leftist narrative is trying to scare people, a democratic tactic into the 2020 presidential race...it's not going to happen anytime soon, not while trump is still president.
Look beyond the propaganda, please.
Do you know which country many Trump products are made in? Do you know which country just gave Ivanka 21 patents for goods? If this was strictly about trade deficits then what about Mexico, India and Vietnam as a viable alternative? This bullsh*t is nothing more than a show for his voter base. It's a farce. Trump isn't the business genius some people think he is.
one should look carefully, china has one propaganda and that is to rule the world. they have bought out some african countries, built railways across countries and continents, bought and built ports all over the world, strategically building islands in the south china sea and have a buffet in every city in america! i guarantee you, every house hold in america has something "made in china"...china has made every country dependent on their products, due to low cost and cheap labor. what's more concerning is the amount of money they're making with very little taxation. putting tariff on china means, domestic products will have equal share in the market, better built quality, promoting more demands, increasing domestic jobs and companies, which in turn will raise our economy. if trump was smart, he would ban all farming and agricultural sales to china...chines e people would be force to eat their own poisonous food...they would cave in so fast.
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LOVE IT!!! ;D ;D ;D
we know know you love sucking it! ha!
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the recession talk is all wall street bullsh!t talk. they're talking themselves into believing that it will happen, it is actually the opposite...our economy is doing great but the leftist narrative is trying to scare people, a democratic tactic into the 2020 presidential race...it's not going to happen anytime soon, not while trump is still president.
one should look carefully, china has one propaganda and that is to rule the world. they have bought out some african countries, built railways across countries and continents, bought and built ports all over the world, strategically building islands in the south china sea and have a buffet in every city in america! i guarantee you, every house hold in america has something "made in china"...china has made every country dependent on their products, due to low cost and cheap labor. what's more concerning is the amount of money they're making with very little taxation. putting tariff on china means, domestic products will have equal share in the market, better built quality, promoting more demands, increasing domestic jobs and companies, which in turn will raise our economy. if trump was smart, he would ban all farming and agricultural sales to china...chines e people would be force to eat their own poisonous food...they would cave in so fast.
I'm not disagreeing with you entirely. My point is how can you talk minimizing dependency on China for goods on one hand and openly sell products made in China on the other? Take off the blinders. IF Trump wants to champion this cause, STOP having China make your goods. Otherwise, it's a farce for fools.
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I'm not disagreeing with you entirely. My point is how can you talk minimizing dependency on China for goods on one hand and openly sell products made in China on the other? Take off the blinders. IF Trump wants to champion this cause, STOP having China make your goods. Otherwise, it's a farce for fools.
that is what tariffs are for...we're making chinese products (imports) expensive, comparable to domestic's. it's going to steer china's marketing strategy when americans rather buy their own products. it could bankrupt manufacturing companies due to lack of sales and high taxes...and we're talking about billions of dollars. from an economic stand point it is a good marketing strategy on Trump...china's dependency on US market is higher...they will eventually come to the table and find a resolution.
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that is what tariffs are for...we're making chinese products (imports) expensive, comparable to domestic's. it's going to steer china's marketing strategy when americans rather buy their own products. it could bankrupt manufacturing companies due to lack of sales and high taxes...and we're talking about billions of dollars. from an economic stand point it is a good marketing strategy on Trump...china's dependency on US market is higher...they will eventually come to the table and find a resolution.
You mean like the farmers and their subsidies? Look at how it's working for them. Welfare only sounds bad if and when people want it to it appears.
China has a bigger economy and has more goods to export. Their manufacturing cost is less.
The US has less to export and their manufacturing cost is much higher.
Tariffs aren't going to solve this problem. We need China more than China needs us. Unless you're talking about debt. They hold $1.2 trillion dollars of it and could definitely use it in an all out trade war.
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You mean like the farmers and their subsidies? Look at how it's working for them. Welfare only sounds bad if and when people want it to it appears.
China has a bigger economy and has more goods to export. Their manufacturing cost is less.
The US has less to export and their manufacturing cost is much higher.
Tariffs aren't going to solve this problem. We need China more than China needs us. Unless you're talking about debt. They hold $1.2 trillion dollars of it and could definitely use it in an all out trade war.
it's about being fair
china charges 25% tax on import car
USA does 2.5% tax on import car
it's all about being fair man
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You mean like the farmers and their subsidies? Look at how it's working for them. Welfare only sounds bad if and when people want it to it appears.
China has a bigger economy and has more goods to export. Their manufacturing cost is less.
The US has less to export and their manufacturing cost is much higher.
Tariffs aren't going to solve this problem. We need China more than China needs us. Unless you're talking about debt. They hold $1.2 trillion dollars of it and could definitely use it in an all out trade war.
china is putting tariffs on our agricultural and farming because that is one their biggest imports (reason being is that our food products from crops to meat are FDA/USDA approved. due to our strict guidelines, they know they're getting good quality food). china is merely playing tit for tat, they know if we ban food exports to china, they will be eating their own poisonous foods (abundant of swine flu, high concentration of chemically induced vegetables, polluted waters and etc).
and you're exactly right, china has bigger economy and more goods to export (thanks to america)...however, if we're not buying, they will be the one who's hurting. we import about $550 billion of china's goods, while they're importing $180 billion from the US...that is about $370 billion in deficit. if we shift our demands to vietnam, mexico, india and other countries (similar in cheap labors and cost effective products), plus creating our own companies, due to demands...chin a is going to be in a world of hurt, and you know...they are not going to let other countries take our business away.
china NEEDS us to buy their products!
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That would work in theory, IF, domestic production cost wasn't so much higher.
Companies are less likely to produce goods domestically at a higher cost and eat the loss when sold on the market. Consumers will bear that cost in the end. Until business owners are willing, this isn't the answer.
If you think welfare was bad, just you wait...
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we know know you love sucking it! ha!
Explains why hmgROCK posted that intimate photo of him plugging you from behind in a sit down position... ;D
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ZDN,
Sure, China wants and needs to be able to sell their junks to US consumers. But it's really the US that needs China more than China needs the US. We want in on their markets as well, knowing full well that China will become the worlds biggest consumer in the near future. All I can say is I rather buy a $3-4 windshield wiper made in China than a windshield wiper made here that sells for $50 a pair.
Apparently, goods aren't going up high enough. Should push for more tariffs. O0
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ain't fair man
when you got china charging you 25% tax
and you only doing 2% tax
i agree with trump
need a fair playing ground
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ZDN,
Sure, China wants and needs to be able to sell their junks to US consumers. But it's really the US that needs China more than China needs the US. We want in on their markets as well, knowing full well that China will become the worlds biggest consumer in the near future. All I can say is I rather buy a $3-4 windshield wiper made in China than a windshield wiper made here that sells for $50 a pair.
Apparently, goods aren't going up high enough. Should push for more tariffs. O0
the purpose of putting tariffs on china is to make their "junk" equal amount to a domestic product? their $3-$4 dollar wiper costing as much as a $50 domestic wiper. china knows this, americans will be buying american products because of quality and of loyalty. they can't afford anymore tariffs or their billions of junk will be going back to china.
china is a scandalous country, one can't operate a business without disclosing their trade secrets...they've invested in US companies and stole patents and internal trade secrets. that is how they operate. why do you think there are so many fake products (electronics, iphones, shoes, clothing, brand name items and etc) in china?
China does not care to be the biggest consumer...the y want total domination (power) in economics, politics, money, and market. they understand, when you control what people need, making your money more valuable than gold and when you're a life time leader...you can rule the world. China has this in plan for years...and trump is the only guy to put a stop in their tracks.
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basically, make our consumers pay more if they buy stuff made in China. How does that help us again?
Oh Wait.. It makes it harder for Trump's base to buy them MAGA hats because the prices will go up. ;D
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basically, make our consumers pay more if they buy stuff made in China. How does that help us again?
Oh Wait.. It makes it harder for Trump's base to buy them MAGA hats because the prices will go up. ;D
exactly...that's what tariffs will do, making chinese "junks" as competitive as domestic products. when we invest in our own products, we will enrich our companies, instead of a foreign company that hardly pays any taxes on their good. china has been grossly rich because we're all buying their cheap (as in poor quality) products.
just found this unbiased video to help explain the trade war between US and China: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxN12jzHrqI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxN12jzHrqI)
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I don't think ZDN and hmRock understands trade very well. :2funny:
For 30yrs, America hasn't been very competitive. Most USA companies outsource jobs and products over to China and elsewhere to save cost and earn maximum profits for their company by selling their products right back at us. This has become the norm in all US companies. You want to do business, you adhere to the Countries rules. It's the same thing here in the US. Now you're saying that China isn't playing fair and America is? From what I can make from you two is that you don't care about what the US stands for. You don't give a rats arse about free trade. Now that's what Trump camps believe,"I don't give a f'k..." This thinking only serves to undermine US influence and position in the world.
And about tariffs, why do you care so much about it, if we have to pay 15% more it's fine. I'm not buying anything anyways because America can't produce shit any ways. As for the Chinese, their citizen will have to pay 25% more for US goods, it actually works better for them than us. Ultimately, the loser will be the US. Because our industries here are so f'ked up can't be geared up fast enough to produce goods anymore.
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Here’s how Republican logic works..
Republicans: we want Free Trade!!
Trump: we want tarriffs!!
Republicans: we want tarriffs!!
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I don't think ZDN and hmRock understands trade very well. :2funny:
For 30yrs, America hasn't been very competitive. Most USA companies outsource jobs and products over to China and elsewhere to save cost and earn maximum profits for their company by selling their products right back at us. This has become the norm in all US companies. You want to do business, you adhere to the Countries rules. It's the same thing here in the US. Now you're saying that China isn't playing fair and America is? From what I can make from you two is that you don't care about what the US stands for. You don't give a rats arse about free trade. Now that's what Trump camps believe,"I don't give a f'k..." This thinking only serves to undermine US influence and position in the world.
And about tariffs, why do you care so much about it, if we have to pay 15% more it's fine. I'm not buying anything anyways because America can't produce shit any ways. As for the Chinese, their citizen will have to pay 25% more for US goods, it actually works better for them than us. Ultimately, the loser will be the US. Because our industries here are so f'ked up can't be geared up fast enough to produce goods anymore.
how is it free trade when i'm buying more stuff from you and you barely buy anything from me ($500 billion vs $200 billion). we've made china richer in less than 10 years...exampl es: shenzhen, what used to be a run down "ghetto city"..now, a modernized tech megacity with tall skyscrapers, mega malls, new constructions and infrastructure s...beijing is no exception...ho ng kong is ranked among the highest billionaires per capita. don't forget china's massive expansion into sea ports and railways. all of this is possible due to the dollar bill. imagine how much i would get back if i taxed you 25% on your $500 billion...that's going to even out our playing field.
china does not believe in free nor fair trade, all they care about is producing mass quantity of products that are cheap (not to mention poor quality). they will steal your trade secrets, patents and ideas, just for doing business with them.
the fact that you support china shows more about your stance on america.
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I don't think ZDN and hmRock understands trade very well. :2funny:
And about tariffs, why do you care so much about it, if we have to pay 15% more it's fine. I'm not buying anything anyways because America can't produce shit any ways. As for the Chinese, their citizen will have to pay 25% more for US goods, it actually works better for them than us. Ultimately, the loser will be the US. Because our industries here are so f'ked up can't be geared up fast enough to produce goods anymore.
it's about being fair
china charges 25% tax on import car
USA does 2.5% on import
company have to built their factory in china to avoid the 25% TAX
(https://disruptive.asia/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/2019-08-30T050016Z_1_LYNXNPEF7T09T_RTROPTP_4_TESLA-CHINA.jpg)
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it's about being fair
china charges 25% tax on import car
USA does 2.5% on import
company have to built their factory in china to avoid the 25% TAX
(https://disruptive.asia/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/2019-08-30T050016Z_1_LYNXNPEF7T09T_RTROPTP_4_TESLA-CHINA.jpg)
So, what you guys are saying is that, since China decided to tax their people 25% on import goods, US has to tax our people that amount too? That's what you're basically saying there. Why should US citizens have to pay more for products we're purchasing, just because China decided that it was a good idea make their people pay more? What kind of backwards logic would make you think, people don't benefit from FREE trade?
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So, what you guys are saying is that, since China decided to tax their people 25% on import goods, US has to tax our people that amount too? That's what you're basically saying there. Why should US citizens have to pay more for products we're purchasing, just because China decided that it was a good idea make their people pay more? What kind of backwards logic would make you think, people don't benefit from FREE trade?
if you are a business man
and you want to sell your stuff to china
but don't want to pay 25% tax to china
than you have to built your factory in china so you avoid the import tax
tesla gigafactory 3
gotta know how to play the game
(https://www.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/tesla-gigafactory-3-shell-2c.jpg)
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how is it free trade when i'm buying more stuff from you and you barely buy anything from me ($500 billion vs $200 billion). we've made china richer in less than 10 years...exampl es: shenzhen, what used to be a run down "ghetto city"..now, a modernized tech megacity with tall skyscrapers, mega malls, new constructions and infrastructure s...beijing is no exception...ho ng kong is ranked among the highest billionaires per capita. don't forget china's massive expansion into sea ports and railways. all of this is possible due to the dollar bill. imagine how much i would get back if i taxed you 25% on your $500 billion...that's going to even out our playing field.
china does not believe in free nor fair trade, all they care about is producing mass quantity of products that are cheap (not to mention poor quality). they will steal your trade secrets, patents and ideas, just for doing business with them.
the fact that you support china shows more about your stance on america.
ZDN, no one is forcing any one else to buy their manufactured goods. It's Supply and Demand. Our domestic DEMAND for more affordable or "cheaper" goods which is met through China's SUPPLY chain to us. The US or China could simply seek other trade partners. Do you know why we don't or can't? Because many of our domestic companies are tied to China's cheaper manufacturing. IF companies are as committed as you imply, simply ship production back to the domestic work force. Ask yourself why that isn't being explored as the BETTER option especially since you insist on pro nationalistic views.
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how is it free trade when i'm buying more stuff from you and you barely buy anything from me ($500 billion vs $200 billion). we've made china richer in less than 10 years...exampl es: shenzhen, what used to be a run down "ghetto city"..now, a modernized tech megacity with tall skyscrapers, mega malls, new constructions and infrastructure s...beijing is no exception...ho ng kong is ranked among the highest billionaires per capita. don't forget china's massive expansion into sea ports and railways. all of this is possible due to the dollar bill. imagine how much i would get back if i taxed you 25% on your $500 billion...that's going to even out our playing field.
china does not believe in free nor fair trade, all they care about is producing mass quantity of products that are cheap (not to mention poor quality). they will steal your trade secrets, patents and ideas, just for doing business with them.
the fact that you support china shows more about your stance on america.
;D ;D Dude, you do realize that anyone who's taken an economics class will read those lines and laugh, right? I don't know how Fox News is able to convince you that Free trade means what you think it means, but they obviously have. No wonder, studies found that people who watch Fox news knows less than people who don't watch news at all.
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how is it free trade when i'm buying more stuff from you and you barely buy anything from me ($500 billion vs $200 billion). we've made china richer in less than 10 years...exampl es: shenzhen, what used to be a run down "ghetto city"..now, a modernized tech megacity with tall skyscrapers, mega malls, new constructions and infrastructure s...beijing is no exception...ho ng kong is ranked among the highest billionaires per capita. don't forget china's massive expansion into sea ports and railways. all of this is possible due to the dollar bill. imagine how much i would get back if i taxed you 25% on your $500 billion...that's going to even out our playing field.
china does not believe in free nor fair trade, all they care about is producing mass quantity of products that are cheap (not to mention poor quality). they will steal your trade secrets, patents and ideas, just for doing business with them.
the fact that you support china shows more about your stance on america.
if you are a business man
and you want to sell your stuff to china
but don't want to pay 25% tax to china
than you have to built your factory in china so you avoid the import tax
tesla gigafactory 3
gotta know how to play the game
(https://www.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/tesla-gigafactory-3-shell-2c.jpg)
;D ;D Dude, you do realize that anyone who's taken an economics class will read those lines and laugh, right? I don't know how Fox News is able to convince you that Free trade means what you think it means, but they obviously have. No wonder, studies found that people who watch Fox news knows less than people who don't watch news at all.
LOVE IT!!! ;D ;D ;D
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can you count up to $530 billion? yes, that is how much US is importing goods from China. when we import this much goods, it makes our (american) products looks like crap and expensive...wh en actually "made in china" products are the real cheap things (poor quality). with no tariffs imposed, it will make america more dependent on china products, hence the chinaman has been, is and will be making billions with little to no taxation. we are china's biggest consumer, when we impose tariffs, it will hurt their economy more than ours, that is why you see china wanting to get back to talks and seek a resolution.
TDS people do not see that Trump is in it for the long haul. They obviously do not mind being China's little biatch. They are people who don't mind getting crumbs as long as those crumbs are steady. Some of us no longer want crumbs. We will be patient until we get a fair deal. If China is so great, explain Hong Kong protests, right? Even Hong Kong citizens know China needs to be put in its place.
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;D ;D Dude, you do realize that anyone who's taken an economics class will read those lines and laugh, right? I don't know how Fox News is able to convince you that Free trade means what you think it means, but they obviously have. No wonder, studies found that people who watch Fox news knows less than people who don't watch news at all.
That would explain you. You have shown us time and time again that you follow Fox News more than any of us. :2funny:
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china is putting tariffs on our agricultural and farming because that is one their biggest imports (reason being is that our food products from crops to meat are FDA/USDA approved. due to our strict guidelines, they know they're getting good quality food). china is merely playing tit for tat, they know if we ban food exports to china, they will be eating their own poisonous foods (abundant of swine flu, high concentration of chemically induced vegetables, polluted waters and etc).
and you're exactly right, china has bigger economy and more goods to export (thanks to america)...however, if we're not buying, they will be the one who's hurting. we import about $550 billion of china's goods, while they're importing $180 billion from the US...that is about $370 billion in deficit. if we shift our demands to vietnam, mexico, india and other countries (similar in cheap labors and cost effective products), plus creating our own companies, due to demands...chin a is going to be in a world of hurt, and you know...they are not going to let other countries take our business away.
china NEEDS us to buy their products!
You're talking to a wall with these people. They've basically said that they would prefer buying cheap and unsafe parts from China to keep their businesses running. This is why Made in America have no value if and when they are buying crap parts from China to place in their products. I'm in agreement with you. We could easily go to other parts of the world.
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ZDN,
Sure, China wants and needs to be able to sell their junks to US consumers. But it's really the US that needs China more than China needs the US. We want in on their markets as well, knowing full well that China will become the worlds biggest consumer in the near future. All I can say is I rather buy a $3-4 windshield wiper made in China than a windshield wiper made here that sells for $50 a pair.
Apparently, goods aren't going up high enough. Should push for more tariffs. O0
Why do you think China can sell that windshield wiper for only $3-5?
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the purpose of putting tariffs on china is to make their "junk" equal amount to a domestic product? their $3-$4 dollar wiper costing as much as a $50 domestic wiper. china knows this, americans will be buying american products because of quality and of loyalty. they can't afford anymore tariffs or their billions of junk will be going back to china.
china is a scandalous country, one can't operate a business without disclosing their trade secrets...they've invested in US companies and stole patents and internal trade secrets. that is how they operate. why do you think there are so many fake products (electronics, iphones, shoes, clothing, brand name items and etc) in china?
China does not care to be the biggest consumer...the y want total domination (power) in economics, politics, money, and market. they understand, when you control what people need, making your money more valuable than gold and when you're a life time leader...you can rule the world. China has this in plan for years...and trump is the only guy to put a stop in their tracks.
A place I worked for used to talk about this a lot.
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basically, make our consumers pay more if they buy stuff made in China. How does that help us again?
Oh Wait.. It makes it harder for Trump's base to buy them MAGA hats because the prices will go up. ;D
No, dummy. If a product made in China is going to cost the same as a product made in USA, then might as well buy the product in the USA because it will be better quality.
Damn you are dumb. But go ahead, get the cheaper quality for the same price as the better quality. You dumb like that.
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I don't think ZDN and hmRock understands trade very well. :2funny:
For 30yrs, America hasn't been very competitive. Most USA companies outsource jobs and products over to China and elsewhere to save cost and earn maximum profits for their company by selling their products right back at us. This has become the norm in all US companies. You want to do business, you adhere to the Countries rules. It's the same thing here in the US. Now you're saying that China isn't playing fair and America is? From what I can make from you two is that you don't care about what the US stands for. You don't give a rats arse about free trade. Now that's what Trump camps believe,"I don't give a f'k..." This thinking only serves to undermine US influence and position in the world.
And about tariffs, why do you care so much about it, if we have to pay 15% more it's fine. I'm not buying anything anyways because America can't produce shit any ways. As for the Chinese, their citizen will have to pay 25% more for US goods, it actually works better for them than us. Ultimately, the loser will be the US. Because our industries here are so f'ked up can't be geared up fast enough to produce goods anymore.
No, it is YOU who do not understand.
If a Chinese product sold to US consumers is going to cost the same as a US product, then might as well buy the US product. When that happens, Americans are essentially growing their own companies. They are giving back to themselves. You keep talking about our companies being fcked up but that's because they can't compete with China's low prices!
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Let's look at it in the long run since you folks are so concerned about making sure your junk stays cheap.
Obviously we all want low prices. However, is it wiser to keep paying low prices while making another country rich and powerful while yours is declining? Sooner or later, you won't even be able to afford their low prices when you out of a job because you worked yourself out of one.
Or bear the prices, while at the same time reinvesting in yourself, until that other country stops cheating and bullshitting?
If China products cost the same as US products and China realizes consumers prefer US when prices are the same, they will be pressured to make changes. At least stop putting poison in toys!
With Hong Kong protesting, China cannot afford to upset their factory workers on the mainland.
I say we pressure China harder while they are in the midst of the Hong Kong ordeal.
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ZDN, no one is forcing any one else to buy their manufactured goods. It's Supply and Demand. Our domestic DEMAND for more affordable or "cheaper" goods which is met through China's SUPPLY chain to us. The US or China could simply seek other trade partners. Do you know why we don't or can't? Because many of our domestic companies are tied to China's cheaper manufacturing. IF companies are as committed as you imply, simply ship production back to the domestic work force. Ask yourself why that isn't being explored as the BETTER option especially since you insist on pro nationalistic views.
Hmmm...I don't know....maybe it's because we have a political party whose mission seems to be to destroy American businesses with taxation and regulation to fund their social engineering projects, otherwise known as entitlements!
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That would work in theory, IF, domestic production cost wasn't so much higher.
Companies are less likely to produce goods domestically at a higher cost and eat the loss when sold on the market. Consumers will bear that cost in the end. Until business owners are willing, this isn't the answer.
If you think welfare was bad, just you wait...
Because again, we have a political party that wants companies to pay their employees a living wage.
Those who are fighting for 15/min wage ought to think what China pays is a human rights violation.
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No, dummy. If a product made in China is going to cost the same as a product made in USA, then might as well buy the product in the USA because it will be better quality.
Damn you are dumb. But go ahead, get the cheaper quality for the same price as the better quality. You dumb like that.
right, and artificially inflating the cost of a product so that it is as expensive as your rich friend's product so that people will buy your friend's product is great for your friend, but not good for everyone else in the US who have to pay more for a product.
You're one of those who have to pay the higher price for the product because your president's friends own the companies he's trying to help and you're too stupid to realize it, but it's been proven that dumb people think the way you do so you're not alone.
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Understanding the China Trade War for Dummies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxN12jzHrqI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxN12jzHrqI)
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Because again, we have a political party that wants companies to pay their employees a living wage.
Those who are fighting for 15/min wage ought to think what China pays is a human rights violation.
How about companies taking less profit?
How about consumer first?
How about not passing on the buck and taking one for America?
How about a UNITED States and no political propaganda?
I could care less about political slant as I believe it's their tool to keep them in power, Left, Right or Other. You're part of the problem if you believe otherwise.
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Hmmm...I don't know....maybe it's because we have a political party whose mission seems to be to destroy American businesses with taxation and regulation to fund their social engineering projects, otherwise known as entitlements!
And the other political party does not? I mean, let's pretend Ivanka and Daddy doesn't have goods manufactured in China right? Let's forget about nepotism, conflicts of interests and Russia and Putin.
Let's pretend Russia is a neutral bystander. Putin has no interest in a weaker United States right? Right?
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How about companies taking less profit?
How about consumer first?
How about not passing on the buck and taking one for America?
How about a UNITED States and no political propaganda?
I could care less about political slant as I believe it's their tool to keep them in power, Left, Right or Other. You're part of the problem if you believe otherwise.
I'm a Conservative first and foremost. I have no true loyalties to any political party. I've voted for Democratic candidates before. I even voted for Obama twice. However, the Democratic Party has become too extreme, toxic, and anti-America. To deny that is to be completely naive or just stupid. We have a binary election. Staying out of the election because you're going to stick to your principles of "both political parties work for themselves" is basically giving a vote to the party that has become completely cancerous.
I mean, duh, of course both parties work for themselves to stay in power. The point is which one is driving us off the cliff slower and going to give us more nuggets. Until you can actually present a dark horse who is neither and can actually win an election then virtue signaling is moot.
But what do you know. DT is the dark horse.
If you think DT is Republican or Democrat then you've been swindled.
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And the other political party does not? I mean, let's pretend Ivanka and Daddy doesn't have goods manufactured in China right? Let's forget about nepotism, conflicts of interests and Russia and Putin.
Let's pretend Russia is a neutral bystander. Putin has no interest in a weaker United States right? Right?
All I know is that DT is not a career politician. I can accept that he's a business person. Hurting consumers would be detrimental to his business. Career politicians risk nothing. Don't tell me you still buy Russia, Russia, Russia? :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Nobody said anything about Russia being a neutral bystander. Mitt Romney brought it up in debate against Obama but at that time the Dems laughed and said the 80s called for their Cold War.
The Dems have become completely intolerable.
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No, it is YOU who do not understand.
If a Chinese product sold to US consumers is going to cost the same as a US product, then might as well buy the US product. When that happens, Americans are essentially growing their own companies. They are giving back to themselves. You keep talking about our companies being fcked up but that's because they can't compete with China's low prices!
Can't compete, so they had to outsource jobs and relocate their company overseas? Give me a break! They're f'cked and same goes with our country. You either totally banned products from China and stop trading or you just shut up. The later seems to be the better choice seems we will still be standing behind our values. Playing the protectionist makes the US looks extremely weak and pathetic. It's inevitable that China will continue to rise with or without the US. We're only shooting ourselves in the foot with more tariffs.
As for Hong Kong? Do these people know think that they're in the right to make demands? The repatriation bill maybe reasonable but they're asking for democracy, that's a clear red line there. If they love it so much, they had the chance to leave the country in 1997. But they didn't... It's really non of our business or concerns regarding another countries affairs. Hate to say it but it seems, another Tienanmen square maybe what people there need it...
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Can't compete, so they had to outsource jobs and relocate their company overseas? Give me a break! They're f'cked and same goes with our country. You either totally banned products from China and stop trading or you just shut up. The later seems to be the better choice seems we will still be standing behind our values. Playing the protectionist makes the US looks extremely weak and pathetic. It's inevitable that China will continue to rise with or without the US. We're only shooting ourselves in the foot with more tariffs.
As for Hong Kong? Do these people know think that they're in the right to make demands? The repatriation bill maybe reasonable but they're asking for democracy, that's a clear red line there. If they love it so much, they had the chance to leave the country in 1997. But they didn't... It's really non of our business or concerns regarding another countries affairs. Hate to say it but it seems, another Tienanmen square maybe what people there need it...
I beg to differ...US is the biggest importer of "cheap" chinese products and trade partner. last year alone, US and china's bilateral trade was almost $600 BILLION...US accounted for $4.8 billion and while china only traded for $1.2 Billion. that is a staggering difference (talk about free or fair trade). the purpose of tariffs is to impose taxes on their products to level out the playing field, since they are not trading fair. without the US, china's economy would hit recession faster than you can say "cao ni ma"...ha!
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I'm a Conservative first and foremost. I have no true loyalties to any political party. I've voted for Democratic candidates before. I even voted for Obama twice. However, the Democratic Party has become too extreme, toxic, and anti-America. To deny that is to be completely naive or just stupid. We have a binary election. Staying out of the election because you're going to stick to your principles of "both political parties work for themselves" is basically giving a vote to the party that has become completely cancerous.
I mean, duh, of course both parties work for themselves to stay in power. The point is which one is driving us off the cliff slower and going to give us more nuggets. Until you can actually present a dark horse who is neither and can actually win an election then virtue signaling is moot.
But what do you know. DT is the dark horse.
If you think DT is Republican or Democrat then you've been swindled.
Those statements are about as True as Trump's statement about Hurricane Dorian hitting Alabama. ;D
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Those statements are about as True as Trump's statement about Hurricane Dorian hitting Alabama. ;D
I have Democratic friends and have voted for Democratic candidates, I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN!
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Those statements are about as True as Trump's statement about Hurricane Dorian hitting Alabama. ;D
I know right it's as "true" as "Trump's statement about Hurricane Dorian hitting Alabama" as just as stubborn like what I pointed out in the thread I created about it. It's also as "true" as the ignorant claim of "no land to build in the bay area"...But some just can't learn so they repeat and cycle...their wrongs ;D ;D ;D
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I beg to differ...US is the biggest importer of "cheap" chinese products and trade partner. last year alone, US and china's bilateral trade was almost $600 BILLION...US accounted for $4.8 billion and while china only traded for $1.2 Billion. that is a staggering difference (talk about free or fair trade). the purpose of tariffs is to impose taxes on their products to level out the playing field, since they are not trading fair. without the US, china's economy would hit recession faster than you can say "cao ni ma"...ha!
Sadly it is fair. It seem like the US can only make crap that costs an arm and a leg so the Chinese don't buy as much while Chinese can produce lots of craps but American consumers continue to buy them anyways because it's cheaper. What can you expect the Chinese government to do? It's the same here, can the US government force consumers to not buy Chinese goods? Making the argument based on trade in-balance is for LOSERS and we are. Just pathetic! We can raise tariffs all we want but they will do the same and worst, totally shut us out of their market when they ran out of ways to tax American goods. Can the US do that, be excluded from pontentially the worlds biggest market?
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Those statements are about as True as Trump's statement about Hurricane Dorian hitting Alabama. ;D
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You are a typical Leftist turd who deny facts. I guess mentioning the fact that I also voted for Bill Clinton on his second term still makes me a loyal Republican. :idiot2: :idiot2: :idiot2:
Fine YAX, you win. Your p.ussy is bigger than mine. You get the VAGINA OF THE YEAR TROPHY. :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
When you stop coming on PH I will know that you're sitting in your own fecal matter or possibly dead. :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
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Using a sharpie, Trump draws a bubble to include Alabama in Dorian's path so that BNM and his other dumb followers will believe his lie about it hitting this state.
(https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/75561cb/2147483647/strip/true/crop/5088x3392+0+0/resize/840x560!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fca-times.brightspotcdn.com%2F84%2F51%2Ff61127eb4558a329754a5ad47239%2Ftrump-06216.jpg)
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yax, in case you didn't know that was the size of his penis, the picture was wrong so he had to draw and extra few inches...theki ng can testify the size! ha!
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yax, in case you didn't know that was the size of his penis, the picture was wrong so he had to draw and extra few inches...theki ng can testify the size! ha!
Which is why hmgROCK posted that intimate photo of you two getting it on with him plugging you up from behind..with his "penis"... ;D