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Relationship => The Single & Dating Scenes => Topic started by: lilly on April 19, 2021, 06:56:03 PM

Title: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: lilly on April 19, 2021, 06:56:03 PM
I've noticed that a lot of Hmong women are dating non-Hmong men.  I think that's just the way of the future now.  The world is changing.  We don't live in bubbles anymore.  Everyone deserves love and happiness.  And we should date whomever makes us feel the most loved and happy.  But I do wonder... like... how come Hmong men are less attractive to "some" Hmong women now?  And, what makes a non-Hmong man more attractive than a Hmong man to the Hmong woman who chooses a non-Hmong?

Is it because:
1. The Hmong man is less loving?
2. The Hmong man is less caring?
3. The Hmong man feels more entitled?
4. The Hmong man is less responsible?
5. The Hmong woman doesn't want to live the expected role of the "nyab"?
6. Other reasons?

P.S. I wondered how I would feel if my Hmong kids married non-Hmong people.  I used to want them to stick with Hmong.  But I realize now that their happiness is more important.  If a non-Hmong will love them more and make their lives happier, then I'm all for it.
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: theking on April 19, 2021, 07:59:40 PM
I've noticed that a lot of Hmong women are dating non-Hmong men.  I think that's just the way of the future now.  The world is changing.  We don't live in bubbles anymore.  Everyone deserves love and happiness.  And we should date whomever makes us feel the most loved and happy.  But I do wonder... like... how come Hmong men are less attractive to "some" Hmong women now?  And, what makes a non-Hmong man more attractive than a Hmong man to the Hmong woman who chooses a non-Hmong?

Is it because:
1. The Hmong man is less loving?
2. The Hmong man is less caring?
3. The Hmong man feels more entitled?
4. The Hmong man is less responsible?
5. The Hmong woman doesn't want to live the expected role of the "nyab"?
6. Other reasons?

P.S. I wondered how I would feel if my Hmong kids married non-Hmong people.  I used to want them to stick with Hmong.  But I realize now that their happiness is more important.  If a non-Hmong will love them more and make their lives happier, then I'm all for it.

Hmong women are just more liberated now especially compared to those in Laos, and Thailand back in the day where they really don't a have say regarding who they date and/or married. And to a lesser degree, that was still happening here in the U.S. too until they realized they have just as much rights as men.

I also see more and more Hmong men dating and/or married non-Hmong. Not as many as Hmong women but that number has also been increasing...T he main contributing factor is freedom to have personal preferences.
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: lilly on April 19, 2021, 08:17:36 PM
Hmong women are just more liberated now especially compared to those in Laos, and Thailand back in the day where they really don't a have say regarding who they date and/or married. And to a lesser degree, that was still happening here in the U.S. too until they realized they have just as much rights as men.

I also see more and more Hmong men dating and/or married non-Hmong. Not as many as Hmong women but that number has also been increasing...T he main contributing factor is freedom to have personal preferences.

Agree.

I think love is beautiful, in whomever you find it with.  There is this Hmong actress, Di Thao (I think that's her name), who married a white man in Australia.  There is this other Hmong girl from Laos who married a white man from the U.S. too.  I came across her youtube channel the other day when I was searching for Hmong Food.  Hahaha.  And on facebook, I'm seeing a bunch of Hmong women with non-Hmong men.  I've also seen some Hmong men with non-Hmong women too (but more so Hmong women than Hmong men).  I don't think the world is as it used to be where there was this air of taboo surrounding dating/marrying non-Hmong people.  I sense and see that things have changed a lot.  Lots of free thinkers out there now.  People letting others live their lives and understanding that people being loved and being happy is more important than anything else.  Life is short.  Everyone should be with someone who makes them feel truly loved and cherished. 
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: theking on April 19, 2021, 08:30:34 PM
My family and extended families have several members from both genders that are dating or have married non-Hmong i.e., White, Black, Spanish as well as other Asian ethnicities. I have a niece that's currently dating an east Indian guy and I myself is married to a Chinese woman.

Growing up I've dated several girls of other race or ethnicity besides Hmong girls so as long as you find the right one, race and/or ethnicity shouldn't matter.
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: Reporter on April 19, 2021, 09:48:37 PM
Japanese men suffer the same fate: Japanese women are going outside culture for love.

Why?

The role of the Japanese women is too controlled by the men and culture.

Hmong chicks want the freedom to love how and whom they want.

In a sense, we Hmong need to be extra attractive to win the hearts of our Hmong women.

How do we do be that?

If I knew the answer, I would have already won the Nobel.
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: Gracified23 on April 20, 2021, 06:52:27 AM
Most women do not have a preference for Asian men. Sexual market value is too low.
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: DuMa on April 20, 2021, 09:03:06 AM
There are a lot of school of thoughts are are involved to what you have witness or experiences. 

You start with a curiosity then you put the pieces together. 

For starters, it could be location.  A hmong women who lives in a hmong infested place are still safe.  She will tend to marry her own kind due to what she has in her surroundings.  Like for instance, when I see a hmong chick with a hmong guy, I can't break her up just to be with me.  I mean I'm only 3 hours away but this guy is hovering around her like fly on poop cuz he's local and so the local guy will win the battle, 9 out of 10 times.  The one time that I won is because I was in town.  Love is local first folks.  If you hang out with a chick X amount of time, you will win her heart somehow. 

Now if I see a hmong chick with a white, black, non asian guy, first reaction is to allow me to guess where she's from.  Single asian looking female from the suburb, not poor in statue, educated, probably has a good job, filled up with nothing but "OTHERS" for coworkers so once again, her location is filled up with more "OTHERS" than hmong guys so she is gonna date the guy that clings around to her like leeches. 

And to top it off, I don't go into this whole psychological analysis on my women, especially if I am dating a hmong chick.   Why?  Cuz they all got issues.   :2funny:
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: DuMa on April 20, 2021, 09:13:13 AM
but to answer some of your mystical myth about why hmong women likes a non hmong like myself....

I tend to use it to my advantage  :idiot2:

She grows up being in a controlled environment by her parents.  She wants her freedom well freedom she will get with me.  I don't hold his hmong guy requirement when she's with me.  My folks don't even care if she can cook or clean or be a slave to my folks either. 

She doesn't have to speak hmong.  Well duh, try to speak hmong to me then.  I don't speak hmong so to some hmong women and depending on what generation they are from, speaking english first is more preferable to them.  To me, when I first meet a viet stranger, if your english skills are not your strength, I will speak viet with you.  If not then I too prefer to speak the english language as I'm more verse with it.  English first to me as well thus why I don't date my own viet women who don't speak english. 

Then there goes this pop culture that if so and so are dating "others", it is now the norm to date others.  Monkey see, monkey do like a virus that is catching mainstream.  Speaking of which, congrats to your brenda xiong having a baby with that home alone white man looking child.   :2funny:
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: Dok_Champa on April 20, 2021, 12:47:40 PM
Lily, a while back we were discussing something similar to this topic and it was an overkill for me ;D ;D ;D ;D so today, I'm just going to listen to everyone's idea/thoughts.
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: lilly on April 20, 2021, 04:02:05 PM
Lily, a while back we were discussing something similar to this topic and it was an overkill for me ;D ;D ;D ;D so today, I'm just going to listen to everyone's idea/thoughts.

OK. :)
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: lilly on April 20, 2021, 04:03:28 PM
Most women do not have a preference for Asian men. Sexual market value is too low.

Can you expand on this?  What do you mean sexual market value is too low?
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: lilly on April 20, 2021, 04:13:35 PM
Japanese men suffer the same fate: Japanese women are going outside culture for love.

Why?

The role of the Japanese women is too controlled by the men and culture.

Hmong chicks want the freedom to love how and whom they want.

In a sense, we Hmong need to be extra attractive to win the hearts of our Hmong women.

How do we do be that?

If I knew the answer, I would have already won the Nobel.

I guess Hmong men need to up their attractiveness to the Hmong women then.  There are lots of amazing/high quality Hmong women that are dating or are married to non-Hmong these days.  So, I just can't help but wonder why that is.  Somewhere along the line, Hmong men must have gone wrong somewhere.  I dunno.  I'm just surprised at the large rate of Hmong women dating/marrying non-Hmong.  To me, it seemed to have happened so fast, or, I may have just been living under a rock and have not noticed it before.  When I saw Hmong women after Hmong women with non-Hmong men last week on facebook, it genuinely surprised me and got me wondering...
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: Visualmon on April 20, 2021, 07:03:06 PM
Him: he dress up really good for school and work
Her: she told him he looks attractively handsome, but she felt he lacks something else
Him: he told her that he dress up for himself only, not to impress anyone

Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: ProudLao on April 21, 2021, 05:48:17 AM
I've noticed that a lot of Hmong women are dating non-Hmong men.  I think that's just the way of the future now.  The world is changing.  We don't live in bubbles anymore.  Everyone deserves love and happiness.  And we should date whomever makes us feel the most loved and happy.  But I do wonder... like... how come Hmong men are less attractive to "some" Hmong women now?  And, what makes a non-Hmong man more attractive than a Hmong man to the Hmong woman who chooses a non-Hmong?

Is it because:
1. The Hmong man is less loving?
2. The Hmong man is less caring?
3. The Hmong man feels more entitled?
4. The Hmong man is less responsible?
5. The Hmong woman doesn't want to live the expected role of the "nyab"?
6. Other reasons?

P.S. I wondered how I would feel if my Hmong kids married non-Hmong people.  I used to want them to stick with Hmong.  But I realize now that their happiness is more important.  If a non-Hmong will love them more and make their lives happier, then I'm all for it.

True love sees no colors.

As parents your kids happiness is everything so whomever they chose to be with you should embrace it. It’s not your life and your choice to make for them.
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: theking on April 21, 2021, 04:18:50 PM
True love sees no colors.

As parents your kids happiness is everything so whomever they chose to be with you should embrace it. It’s not your life and your choice to make for them.

+1 for that.. O0
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: Reporter on April 21, 2021, 05:00:06 PM
I'm not sure what we need to do to up our attractiveness, Lilly. What do you think?

I've seen the quick change, too.

I guess Hmong men need to up their attractiveness to the Hmong women then.  There are lots of amazing/high quality Hmong women that are dating or are married to non-Hmong these days.  So, I just can't help but wonder why that is.  Somewhere along the line, Hmong men must have gone wrong somewhere.  I dunno.  I'm just surprised at the large rate of Hmong women dating/marrying non-Hmong.  To me, it seemed to have happened so fast, or, I may have just been living under a rock and have not noticed it before.  When I saw Hmong women after Hmong women with non-Hmong men last week on facebook, it genuinely surprised me and got me wondering...
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: lilly on April 21, 2021, 06:36:24 PM
I'm not sure what we need to do to up our attractiveness, Lilly. What do you think?

I've seen the quick change, too.


I don't know either.  But just based on observations only, I think the following can help:

- Be real.  Be yourself.
- Don't make her feel like you expect her to live up to being a perfect Hmong woman or a perfect Hmong nyab (most Hmong women are over trying to be super woman, super nyab, and carrying the weight of the world on their shoulders)
- Support her ambitions and drives
- Encourage her to do better, to be better without sounding judgmental or overly critical
- Show her you also have ambitions and a drive to succeed in life
- Be affectionate (women love being caressed and to know that you are attracted to her).  Giver her hugs/kisses and cuddle with her.  Some Hmong men are super un-affectionate.  Such a turn off.  Intimacy is crucial to a healthy relationship.
- Fulfill her needs.
- Be a great communicator, written and verbally.  Send her texts/stay in touch with her throughout the day.  In person, be a good listener.  Also, be interesting and have good ideas and thoughts to share with her.  Pay attention to the news and talk to her about what's happening in the world.
- Help her out.  Be a team player.  Let her know you guys are a team.  That she's not alone.  That she's not by herself and she doesn't have to handle everything on her own.  You are her better half.  You are there for her.
- Dance with her.  Have fun with her.  Make her laugh.  Make her feel joy (and not sadness or stress or loneliness) when she's around you.
- Take her hand when you guys go for walks
- Be masculine.  Make her feel like she's with a man.
- Make her feel protected.
- Don't make her have doubts.  Prove to her she's the only one for you.
- Be a good and loving and caring partner
- Be a good father (if you have kids)


I don't know.  Those are some of the things I observed that some Hmong men lack... where they can do better at.
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: DuMa on April 21, 2021, 06:53:59 PM

I don't know either.  But just based on observations only, I think the following can help:

- Be real.  Be yourself.
- Don't make her feel like you expect her to live up to being a perfect Hmong woman or a perfect Hmong nyab (most Hmong women are over trying to be super woman, super nyab, and carrying the weight of the world on their shoulders)
- Support her ambitions and drives
- Encourage her to do better, to be better without sounding judgmental or overly critical
- Show her you also have ambitions and a drive to succeed in life
- Be affectionate (women love being caressed and to know that you are attracted to her).  Giver her hugs/kisses and cuddle with her.  Some Hmong men are super un-affectionate.  Such a turn off.  Intimacy is crucial to a healthy relationship.
- Fulfill her needs.
- Be a great communicator, written and verbally.  Send her texts/stay in touch with her throughout the day.  In person, be a good listener.  Also, be interesting and have good ideas and thoughts to share with her.  Pay attention to the news and talk to her about what's happening in the world.
- Help her out.  Be a team player.  Let her know you guys are a team.  That she's not alone.  That she's not by herself and she doesn't have to handle everything on her own.  You are her better half.  You are there for her.
- Dance with her.  Have fun with her.  Make her laugh.  Make her feel joy (and not sadness or stress or loneliness) when she's around you.
- Take her hand when you guys go for walks
- Be masculine.  Make her feel like she's with a man.
- Make her feel protected.
- Don't make her have doubts.  Prove to her she's the only one for you.
- Be a good and loving and caring partner
- Be a good father (if you have kids)


I don't know.  Those are some of the things I observed that some Hmong men lack... where they can do better at.

In other words, be Vietnamese   :2funny:

you know what?  I'm sure there are hmong men who are haters and do not like to see their hmong women going out with "others" 

then you got guys like myself (the before me now) was just playing the field cuz I'm not ready to tie down just yet and these same hmong women that only dates "others" are dating me but I ghosted them and left them cold on purpose so that they can get butt hurt and go back to their hmong men. 

Now the irony behind this whole sega is that these hmong hating men be hating on me too.  I'm like...I'm doing you guys a favor here and I get no respect.   ;D

So the next hmong chick that likes non hmong and wants to date me, I'm marrying her.   :D
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: DuMa on April 21, 2021, 06:59:49 PM
Like my friend who left his family and kids and his parents and his friends just to be with an old hmong chick and moved to mn.  Yall know who I'm talking about here.

When he was hanging with me, he got this infatuation for Vietnamese women.   I'm talking about the flashy types, hollywood looking, salon and nails status, you know the stereotype for the waves of new americans who came to the USA without any talent but ended up making bank off this hair and nails industry.  Yeah that type.

Well no viet chick like that would give my boy the time of day so guess what he did?  He got with a hmong chick that lives the viet chick lifestyle. 

It is still the hmong and hmong relationship so it got me thinking.  Would these hmong women that dates only "others", well could they also date a white wash or a kaydoo wash hmong guy?  It qualifies as a hmong on hmong relationship and she gets that "others" infatuation of hers to be fulfilled. 

Then again, why go for imitation when you can get with the real thing?  you like white?  Go the white route cuz a hmong white wash guy just doesn't cut it.   :idiot2:
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: Reporter on April 21, 2021, 07:33:34 PM
Sounds like we've gotta be superHmongmen.


I don't know either.  But just based on observations only, I think the following can help:

- Be real.  Be yourself.
- Don't make her feel like you expect her to live up to being a perfect Hmong woman or a perfect Hmong nyab (most Hmong women are over trying to be super woman, super nyab, and carrying the weight of the world on their shoulders)
- Support her ambitions and drives
- Encourage her to do better, to be better without sounding judgmental or overly critical
- Show her you also have ambitions and a drive to succeed in life
- Be affectionate (women love being caressed and to know that you are attracted to her).  Giver her hugs/kisses and cuddle with her.  Some Hmong men are super un-affectionate.  Such a turn off.  Intimacy is crucial to a healthy relationship.
- Fulfill her needs.
- Be a great communicator, written and verbally.  Send her texts/stay in touch with her throughout the day.  In person, be a good listener.  Also, be interesting and have good ideas and thoughts to share with her.  Pay attention to the news and talk to her about what's happening in the world.
- Help her out.  Be a team player.  Let her know you guys are a team.  That she's not alone.  That she's not by herself and she doesn't have to handle everything on her own.  You are her better half.  You are there for her.
- Dance with her.  Have fun with her.  Make her laugh.  Make her feel joy (and not sadness or stress or loneliness) when she's around you.
- Take her hand when you guys go for walks
- Be masculine.  Make her feel like she's with a man.
- Make her feel protected.
- Don't make her have doubts.  Prove to her she's the only one for you.
- Be a good and loving and caring partner
- Be a good father (if you have kids)


I don't know.  Those are some of the things I observed that some Hmong men lack... where they can do better at.
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: theking on April 21, 2021, 07:56:04 PM
As ProudLao put it, "love sees no color"..so if this Minnesota Hmong guy's approach is right for him, more power to him  O0:

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/1e-bS7UQeVU/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: theking on April 21, 2021, 08:05:08 PM
Or this Hmong guy in Wisconsin that has married his White wife for like 40 years now:

(https://i.imgur.com/xpo833V.jpg)
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: theking on April 21, 2021, 09:01:20 PM
Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you look at it) "divorced" is a fact of life for some couple same race and/or ethnicity or not.

Kellie Xiong dropped her White husband as soon as big trouble came knocking:

(https://dailyguidenetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Kellie-Chauvin.jpg)
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: Dok_Champa on April 22, 2021, 05:06:53 PM

They're divorced now, and it did not end nicely, at least based on her side of the story.
Very rare to see enduring interracial marriages.  My kids will tell me, "Mom, divorce happens in every culture and just because a Hmong marry another Hmong person will not guarantee either."  So I just  :-X and hope for the best.
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: theking on April 22, 2021, 07:10:30 PM
This survey is a little outdated but I bet the percentage between same race and interracial marriages are closer now because the U.S. continues to progress towards that direction:

Several studies using government data have found that overall divorce rates are higher for couples who married out than for those who married in—but here, too, the patterns vary by the racial and gender characteristic s of the couples. An analysis conducted a decade ago found that 10 years after they married, interracial couples had a 41% chance of separation or divorce, compared with a 31% chance among couples who married within their race, according to a study based on the 1995 National Survey of Family Growth (NSFG).7 A subsequent study which analyzed 2002 NSFG data found that “although interracial marriages overall are more vulnerable to divorce, this reflects the experience of some but not all couples.” It found that after 10 years of marriage, interracial marriages that are most vulnerable to divorce involve white females and non-White males (with the exception of white females/ Hispanic white males) relative to white/white couples. Conversely, there is little or no difference in divorce rates among white men/non-white women couples, and white men/black women couples are actually substantially less likely than white/white couples to divorce by the 10th year of marriage.8

Another study using 1990 to 2001 data from the Survey of Income and Program Participation (SIPP) suggests that on the whole, interracial marriages are less stable than same-race/ethnicity marriages, but marital dissolution was found to be strongly associated with the race or ethnicity of the individuals in the union. The authors found that “the results failed to provide evidence that interracial marriage per se is associated with an elevated risk of marital dissolution.”9 Mixed marriages involving blacks and whites were the least stable followed by Hispanics-white couples, whereas mixed marriages involving Asians and whites were even more stable than same-race white marriages.
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: Dok_Champa on April 23, 2021, 03:32:18 PM
The King, thanks for sharing the data.  I kept thinking, in the future divorce & marriage will be over rated not like now.
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: Prude on April 25, 2021, 03:00:30 PM
They are no longer married.

As ProudLao put it, "love sees no color"..so if this Minnesota Hmong guy's approach is right for him, more power to him  O0:

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/1e-bS7UQeVU/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: Reporter on April 25, 2021, 03:08:45 PM
Interracial marriages work best for the next generation. By that, I mean the mixed kids' marriages.

Very rare to see enduring interracial marriages.  My kids will tell me, "Mom, divorce happens in every culture and just because a Hmong marry another Hmong person will not guarantee either."  So I just  :-X and hope for the best.
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: Dok_Champa on April 25, 2021, 05:16:48 PM
Interracial marriages work best for the next generation. By that, I mean the mixed kids' marriages.
Sure or work best in our children's generation - they don't have the biases my generation have about interracial marriages and equally important their views on marriage/divorce would be different as well... Ex: They focus more on the person vs. status vs. age vs. etc..

I'm thinking.
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: Gracified23 on April 25, 2021, 07:11:59 PM
Can you expand on this?  What do you mean sexual market value is too low?

Sexual market value aka SMV is how attractive the guy is from 1-10 on a number scale. Having a low SMV means his number is well below a 5. This number can vary depend on his location, demographics, and the particular female.

Let me elaborate, when a guy approach a girl if he’s a good looking guy who is in shape, the way women react to him will be different to how they might react to another guy if he weren't as good looking or in shape. In that case he would have to make sure his game is on point, his confident and how he dress/stylishly. But it’s always going to be harder for him.

There is a minimum threshold and I think it starts more at 6/10 and this is on the basis that you want bare minimum "okay" results with women and have reasonable standards.

Also if the guys are from an ethnic background where it is well known that Asian are at a disadvantage due to stereotypes linked with being Asian/Indian then it’s going to be more of a challenge especially if they lack certain traits.

We shouldn't focus solely on our game. That’s retarded! We should also focus on our style, health and general social skills. Make sure we have other interests outside of game so we don't become weird and lack empathy and social skills.

Why Asian men can’t get white girls is because they lack social skills and they appear weird around women. They are shy and also the race thing is affecting them. You can have two Indians. One is in shape and can easily pass for a Cuacasian while the second guy not so much. With online dating, what ethnicity you look like is more important than the ethnicity you are. If a Hmong guy is in shape and has good facial feature, he will still do well than another Hmong guy who looks like a dork. 
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: Gracified23 on April 25, 2021, 07:17:55 PM
The dorky looks (not just Asian but also whites and blacks) is what is known as an incel. They have the incel look where their chin is small. Bad facial features/genetics. Cannot get lay. Here’s a photo of a great example of going from an incel to a Chad.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dazeddigital.com/beauty/head/article/45167/1/are-incel-forums-the-new-pro-anorexia-groups%3famp=1 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dazeddigital.com/beauty/head/article/45167/1/are-incel-forums-the-new-pro-anorexia-groups%3famp=1)

Imagine being an incel and believing your confidence will get you lay. You’re dreaming lolz! Not gonna happen. It’s not your confidence, it’s your looks bro. Your looks plays a factor when you approach women. It’s also not your game.
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: Reporter on April 26, 2021, 11:06:38 AM
Your kids' marriages will happen but won't last well like the marriages of actually-mixed kids'.

Sure or work best in our children's generation - they don't have the biases my generation have about interracial marriages and equally important their views on marriage/divorce would be different as well... Ex: They focus more on the person vs. status vs. age vs. etc..

I'm thinking.
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: Dok_Champa on April 26, 2021, 11:44:59 AM
Your kids' marriages will happen but won't last well like the marriages of actually-mixed kids'.
I'm not sure about that...
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: Reporter on April 26, 2021, 01:52:06 PM
I know you aren't.

I'm not sure about that...
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: floaty on April 29, 2021, 06:13:09 AM
Because hmong culture and the hmong in law ways are too dramatic and troublesome. Why stress that lifestyle when you can skip it?

A hmong woman married to a hmong man = more expectations. More cultural expectations and understanding. More cultural abuse towards the woman. Easier to be abused by inlaws because of same background. No breaks. Automatic daughter in law slavery expectancy. Men are weaker in voicing defense for their hmong wife against their family members. Who tf would want that?!
(Speaking from experience)
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: DuMa on May 04, 2021, 07:31:35 PM
Because hmong culture and the hmong in law ways are too dramatic and troublesome. Why stress that lifestyle when you can skip it?

A hmong woman married to a hmong man = more expectations. More cultural expectations and understanding. More cultural abuse towards the woman. Easier to be abused by inlaws because of same background. No breaks. Automatic daughter in law slavery expectancy. Men are weaker in voicing defense for their hmong wife against their family members. Who tf would want that?!
(Speaking from experience)

See?  I knew it.  Came straight out of a hmong chick's mouth.  Hi floaty by the way.  Long time no smell ya.  Did you shower today? 

You know when I date hmong, I cringed to the thought of them hmong washing me, trying to make me hmong and trying to get me to wear that hmong costume.  At first, I don't mind but because of our stupid media, it ruins it.  The word is "cultural appropriation"

I'm not asking her to be viet or wear our traditional "ao dai" viet dresses and eat your pho.  Do what you wanna do is my answer.  You be you and let me be me.  Women that have the same opinions as floaty there are more out there and I'm like a pokemon trainer, trying to catch them all.  Here's the thing.  If she, the hmong women dating Others, the non asian, it can get uncomfortable due to the "stare" .  However, if she dates me, another OTHERS but I'm still asian, no one is gonna look at us funny for asian on asian is still ok in their books.  All that stigmas and dogmas and hmong cultural stuff, now she can control it as she can keep what she likes and banish what she does not like. 

The funny thing is this.  I know what they are getting into when they are dating me.  It just that I never put them under a microscope and questioning them to what I already know.  In other words, the stuff that floaty be typing up there, I just don't bring it out for a debate.  If I did, it'll weaken my stance thus making me less attractive.  You think a white guy or a black guy would know what floaty be talking about up there?  Hell tittay no.  He just doesn't know because he doesn't really care.  All he knows is that he got a "china doll" so me love you long time is at play and what she gets out of it is what floaty is saying from above.  Both benefits from both sides and that is how the west was won.   O0
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: Gracified23 on May 28, 2021, 11:44:58 PM
I still stand by my posts lolz. Hmong men are seen less attractive because they have a low smv whereas white dudes are seen more physically attractive and built overall. Most white women do not date Asian men however, it depends on how attractive he is. I'd say a 6/10 white guy would do better than a 7/10 Asian. Remember, more non-white women are more open to interracially date than white women are statistically speaking so by default, it creates an imbalance for non-white men.

Hmong women are westernized now.

Edit: Some Hmong/Asian women. They love the white man lolz.
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: Gracified23 on June 04, 2021, 08:18:26 PM
There are a lot of school of thoughts are are involved to what you have witness or experiences. 

You start with a curiosity then you put the pieces together. 

For starters, it could be location.  A hmong women who lives in a hmong infested place are still safe.  She will tend to marry her own kind due to what she has in her surroundings.  Like for instance, when I see a hmong chick with a hmong guy, I can't break her up just to be with me.  I mean I'm only 3 hours away but this guy is hovering around her like fly on poop cuz he's local and so the local guy will win the battle, 9 out of 10 times.  The one time that I won is because I was in town.  Love is local first folks.  If you hang out with a chick X amount of time, you will win her heart somehow. 

Now if I see a hmong chick with a white, black, non asian guy, first reaction is to allow me to guess where she's from.  Single asian looking female from the suburb, not poor in statue, educated, probably has a good job, filled up with nothing but "OTHERS" for coworkers so once again, her location is filled up with more "OTHERS" than hmong guys so she is gonna date the guy that clings around to her like leeches. 

And to top it off, I don't go into this whole psychological analysis on my women, especially if I am dating a hmong chick.   Why?  Cuz they all got issues.   :2funny:

Good observation but it’s not always true. The Asian girl dating “others” could very well date them for financial reasons. She has daddy issues so she's going to cling to that lifestyle.
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: DuMa on June 04, 2021, 08:59:45 PM
Good observation but it’s not always true. The Asian girl dating “others” could very well date them for financial reasons. She could be poor with daddy issues and therefore, she’s going to cling to that lifestyle.

If she's into finance, why limiting herself to others only?  Hmong n viets got money too.  When she's digging diamond, she sees diamond first so whoever got diamond will get her attention.  I don't qualify cuz I got hidden fool's gold.  :2funny:
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: Gracified23 on June 04, 2021, 10:22:53 PM
If she's into finance, why limiting herself to others only?  Hmong n viets got money too.  When she's digging diamond, she sees diamond first so whoever got diamond will get her attention.  I don't qualify cuz I got hidden fool's gold.  :2funny:

Asian women don’t go for Asian guys as much as Whites (at least not the hottest Americanized ones).
I’m Hmong and I can’t even get a hot Hmong chick.
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: DuMa on June 04, 2021, 10:50:57 PM
Asian women don’t go for Asian guys as much as Whites (at least not the hottest Americanized ones).
I’m Hmong and I can’t even get a hot Hmong chick.

You need to check your statement of fact again.  If azn women don't go for azn guys then the azn population will have a big problem.  I don't think so.  Azn countries still flourish and azn still married azn here in the USA. 

If you can't get a hot x then hot x is not for you.  Stop trying and go for ohs. 

Reality has it that we tend to give up looking for what we want but settle for what is there, right in front of our nose.   O0
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: Gracified23 on June 06, 2021, 07:34:54 PM
You need to check your statement of fact again.  If azn women don't go for azn guys then the azn population will have a big problem.  I don't think so.  Azn countries still flourish and azn still married azn here in the USA. 

If you can't get a hot x then hot x is not for you.  Stop trying and go for ohs. 

Reality has it that we tend to give up looking for what we want but settle for what is there, right in front of our nose.   O0

There is a lot of evidence to support the theory that Asian women love White men. 3 out of every 4 Asian women are dating non Asian men.
Title: Re: Are you seeing it too?
Post by: Believe_N_Me on September 05, 2022, 06:05:22 AM
Courtship was so much easier when I was a teenager. A guy didn't pursue unless he really wanted to commit to you as in "marriage". He showed just enough attention to flatter you but not to the point that it gave you anxiety and made you insecure if things didn't work out.

I honestly think that's why many Hmong women are starting to date outside of the race. Once everybody started playing house and behaved like husband and wife before actually tying the knot, it really gave Hmong women anxiety. Especially when he doesn't marry you and now your family has to face his family along with the gossip. But if you date a white guy and it doesn't work out, it's not like your clan has to listen to his clan talk badly about how you were such a fool. And plus, this is the dating style of mes kas so you're not taking that big of a risk when it's expected for you to live with him, sleep with him, take trips with him, etc. Whereas Hmong men want to date like mes kas but it's such a big risk on the women's part. Again, if it doesn't work out she comes out as the fool.

Thinking about it gives me anxiety.  :-\ I don't know how to act like a Hmong-mes kas girlfriend. I only know the old-fashion way of courtship where we talk, establish that we like each other enough to marry, and then actually get married.  :-[