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Hmong Culture & History / Re: Chinese Language vs. Hmong Language....

« on: December 19, 2015, 11:09:17 AM »

I made a few corrections on this thing...

The character 点 Dian=Teev is a very broad term. So yes you are correct about meaning a period or point. Also it specify the time point period. In other word Hour. Also  点 is a simplified form of 點.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E9%BB%9E#Translingual 1.2 you are correct. However Click 2.2 Noun and see the variety of definition. So we Hmong use it in context.

HAHAHAHA

First of all, this is my direct quote:
You missed the sarcasm WAAAAY over your head, kiddo. Did you forget you ducked up and said that Cantonese is majorly spoken in Taiwan? I'm merely making a mockery out of you.  this guy has no sense of sarcasm.

Never once did I say anything about which country Hong Kong is a part of. This isn't the topic. This is about how idiotic you are by saying that Cantonese is in Taiwan which couldn't be further from the truth. But since you want to talk about it so bad...

I am well aware of the separate legal, political, and currency system of Hong Kong vs the rest of (People's Republic of) China as well as the history of Great Britain occupation and the handover in the 1990s.
To which country was Hong Kong handed over to? China. It's officially a Special Administrative Region (SAR) but Hong Kong is not a province, a city-state, or a country. Guess which country has the the power of foreign affairs and military? China. Hong Kong does not operate independently from PRC when it comes to foreign affairs and military issues. And we all know the "one country, two systems" ethos of Hong Kong is bullshit because if you were Beijing, you would really let UK ride you when it's no longer a colony? We all know that what HK has become and what it will become in the future rests in Beijing's hands.


Secondly...

Golden Harvest was by Raymond Chow and Leonard Ho, not the Shaw Brothers. Raymond and Leonard left Shaw to create Golden Harvest. Shaw Brothers stopped production of martial arts full-length movies in the 1980s because they were taken over by Golden Harvest.

What else you got buddy?

lol

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Hmong Culture & History / Re: Mong New Year vs Mong Hauv Toj

« on: November 30, 2015, 04:37:31 PM »

It is not a matter of "believe" or not believe in what or what is.  the fact of the matter is, for some reason, when general vp came to power, the meaning of hauvtoj dissapeared.  "fun" and "courtship" was implemented into the hauvtoj instead of keeping the true meaning.  the mistake by the elders was that when new year comes....mong tsa hauvtoj.  over the years, the younger generation seem to think that the two are the same--but they are not.

the point of the post is to distinguish the two events:  new year and hauvtoj.  during new year, regardless if we lost the actual date of the new year, whenever we do it, it is still a new year--and i have a haunch that the mong who came to vietnam and laos forgot the date because their calendar system was not accurate.  instead, mong that came to laos/vietnam followed the harvesting of rice as a source of new year.

now, no matter when you celebrate  hauvtoj, it is still hauvtoj.  the two are not the same.  new year celebration involves dabqhua, and hauvtoj involves reunion of mong as a whole. 

the problem:  in the usa, scholars seem to think that hauvtoj is new year.  and every teen now things that we celebrate new year by going to an empty place and toss balls---NO!!!!!!  the povpob part is a hauvtoj...not a new year.

Anecdotally, from my grandma (Born in 1933 or earlier) by the time Vang Pao was even born Hmong already stopped performing Hauv Toj. By 1920 H'Mong already have an autonomy from the French Imperialist. The last Hmong to speak of HauvToj or even celebrate was probably around the time of Paj Cai Vue rebellion. I remember watching a documentary youtube video of Hmong in 1955, and in that film the Hmong already adopt SouthEast Asian custom. E.g. Pov pob. If I can find the link I will provide it there.

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Hmong Culture & History / Re: 10 reasons why Hmong people are soo cool!

« on: November 24, 2015, 04:34:46 PM »

1. We are hard to kill
2. We use to use our Mouth Organ (Qeej) to be blown for war and battle along with our drum
3. We battle screech against the Chinese and won 9 times over them with our iron age weapons
4. We are just as bad asss like those vikings
5. We have a War God/Emperor who we use to worship
6. We were the first empire before China came into existence
7. We have 4 races that came into our Empire of Dongyi in a melting pot nation: Native Americans, Koreans, Hmong, and Southern Chinese (Hua xia/ Huab Xiam)
8. We invented the best farming tools in the Dongyi culture in Shandong province
9. Our Empire lasted for 500 years
10. We are still alive today...YES! LOL!

How bad asss are we? Pretty good..

Be proud to be Hmong! We can fight like a Viking, like a bad asss. Just look at those New Year fights, LOL!

1. We exist.
2. We assimilate to many culture yet still distinguishabl e.
3. We were one of the heavy powerhouse of gunfire from 1850s-1975s in Southeast Asia the moment we stepped in.
4. We are one of the few, if not only, Asians that can produce natural red heads and blondes.
5. We are so mysterious that there are many theories where we came from.
6. We live in deeper southern region of Asia yet has culture of northern parts of Asia.
7. We could be link to many great North/East Asian culture.
8. September 2015, some MTDNA associate with Hmong-like people were found migrating in Japan between the Jomon and Kofun Period.
9. Our shamanistic culture are similar to Manchu and Mongols. Our Kings and Diety are similar to Chinese Diety.
10: We have both a creation myth and shamanistic myth.

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Hmong Culture & History / Re: Mong New Year vs Mong Hauv Toj

« on: November 24, 2015, 04:18:23 PM »

The topic of Mong New Year and Hauvtoj may be sensitive to some, simply because 99% of all Mong in the US are misinformed by so-called "elders" and "scholars"--this is why I tend to not read many books written for a "degrees" and “fame.” 

Before 1960, both rituals/practices were celebrated correctly, primarily because Mong were still backward and unknown to the outside world.  General Vang Pao then came into power--and Mong pib muaj plhu tuaj, concentrating on fun rather than yearly rituals based on obligations and traditions.  Eventually, the two practices became one.  Now, in America, Mong took these two events to the next level, and now the younger generations have no idea what a new year is--thinking that it is a Hauvtoj.

Traditional Mong New Year and Mong Hauvtoj each has different purposes, meaning, and most importantly, time (in terms of when to celebrate them).  Since they are so close together in terms of time, this may be the problem why the younger generations are so confused on what they are.  Maybe I should not say "younger" generation because even the elders are referring to them wrongfully. 

The following accounts are from "legends/stories/matrimonial songs/death songs" as taught and practiced--hince they are not from books.  Again, this is why I do not read books regarding issues like this because those books are also from "stories" told by elders (or misinformed elders).  Also keep in mind, I referred to most "elders" now as "misinformed" because Mong who were borned after 1950 were already "misinformed" when fun was their main goal during Vang Pao’s power since the 60s.  So just because we are calling them elders now, it does not mean what they say is true.  Also, many scholars now are “interviewing” these so-call elders for guidance; however, many of their explanations are just simply wrong.

Although both rituals (per legend) began with SivYig's followers, they are not the same.  In essence, to refer to a Hauvtoj as a New Year is a mistake and likewise, to refer to a New Year as a Hauvtoj is also a mistake. 

New Year originated (from legends) from Txoov Siv Yig; and Hauvtoj began from Txiv Yawm’s remaining army after he got killed (many variations of the name, but the most known one is Txiv Yawm or Txij Yawm).  The two traditions are totally different.  However, our “New Year” date may have been wrong if compared to the Mong of China—it seems the true date would coincide with the Chinese New Year.  Why the difference?  No one really knows, except the Mong who migrated down south seems to have only 28 days in their calendar—meaning that every 2-3 years, they “repeat” months.  Due to this reason, those who do not repeat months will celebrate their new year 2-3 months earlier—and this seems to be our issue right now…meaning this is why our new year begins sometimes in November.  The other reason is, possibly, we tend to practice our new year celebration right after rice harvesting.  I am not aware of when rice is ready to be harvested in China, but in Laos it is usually in November—and rice is the main dish of the New Year.

Anyway, the story goes like this:  Once a upon a time, in China, there was a Mong Kingdom being terrorized by a Monster.  Some call it Loob Nyug, some say it is just a monster of some sort.  This entity killed and ate many people, causing great confusion and terror, so many Mong fled the area.  Then, entered Txoov Siv Yig (Note:   There are two great followers of the SivYig from Heaven:  Txoov Siv Yig and Tooj Nchai Siv Yig).  Because the demonic entity had mesmerizing eyes and a cry that can killed any living being—Txoov had to “cover” his face and beat his shield to nullify the enemies cry and eyes.  Txoov eventually killed the beast—and it happened during rise harvesting.  When Txoov killed the beast, the cloth he used to blindfold himself was stained with blood—hence, some say Txoov was of the Vang Clan or “Vug” clan.

The Mong celebrated a time of great accomplishment for Txoov and the Mong.  The celebration is to “begin” a new year (after all the bad things that caused by the demon) and 3 days of celebration is to be performed—3 days of celebrations—10 dishes per day = NOJ 30…the receiving dish of the new year.

THIS IS NEW YEAR CELEBRATION—THE MAIN PURPOSE.  Just because I did not list other things, does not mean this is all we do at new year.

Hauvtoj is a little different.  It began with the death of Txiv Yawg.  The remaining generals fled to a nearby mountain side.  Those who were not captured or killed were lost.  The generals then cut down two trees—one was mounted on top of the mountain with Txiv Yawg’s flag to let the remaining people know where to gather, and the other pole was to be mounted down the valley where the group will meet.  These two poles are called “ncej ntxheb” and “ncej ntxhoo.”  Some call it ncej paag. 

After the generals realized that there was not enough soldiers to counter attack, they began to flee south—raising the two poles every chance they get to let Mong know where the main group was.  When they finally realized that they were not being chased, they stopped raising the flags/poles.  Eventually, people got busy with life and no time for the frequent ritual anymore.  Mong decided that, only one “raising” flag should be perform each year only—and the only time available was during the 3 days of New Year.  So, the ritual was placed during New Year—it can be before or after new year and usually uphold by “Xeev Laus.”

Hauvtoj is a time of unity for all Mong, with bull fights, badminton (tis qaib…some call it tshav qaib), and LUGTXAJ to tell about the misery of life (ntuj teb taag quas ncua…).  Over time, those who came south discovered “ball tossing” and adopted it from “Ncuav.” 

It is good to evolve cultures for the survival of an ethnic group.  However, when we start calling a ritual something else and claim that “we have always done it like this for thousands of years,” there is something wrong.

In summary:  New Year is more “religious” related, involving making offerings to ancestors, calling souls, txi xwm kab, inviting special guests for “tsab” or “30,” pe tsiab, etc  These things includes tso plig of both dead relatives and dead animals sacrificed over the years.  Most importantly, new year is celebrated (supposed to anyway) during a specific date (Mong date that is…).  Most importantly, new year is always in house because it involves any entities in the house.

Hauvtoj involves unity of the Mong as a whole, involves fun, ball tossing, checking out chicks, etc.  Anyone can organize the practice anytime they want because it does not depend on a certain date..in other words, it is not a new year.  Most importantly, it occurs outside (at a mountain side) with NCEJ NTXHEB AND NCEJ NTXHOO. It just sickens me to see “educated” Mong on stand with a sign saying “happy new year” on it.  What worst, it is sad to hear educated people saying “we have always done it like this for hundreds of years.”

More later

Yeah I heard of the term Hauv Toj. I believe it is a reference of Mong or Hmong Meemtoj it is a pole that sticks on the ground then flags or ribbons are attach. Hmong or Mong back in Southwestern China still does it. The word Huav Toj or Meem toj can be heard daily shaman if you paid close attention. Meemtoj basically mean support. Hauvtoj is support the center.

As for When is the Real Hmong New Year. I will say depends how you see it. It could coincide with the Chinese Lunar Calendar or between end of July-early August. The latter is true if you believe we use to live somewhere that has daylight for 6 months and darkness in 6 months; environment like the Gobi Desert.
These are variation of Hauv Toj or Meem Toj

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pWzb45S3NI

Sort of similar to Mongolian Aobao. But whatever.....



Trivia fact: When General Vang Pao created Longcheng or Longtieng or Looj Ceej is a reference of Looj Ceej Tsheeb. It basically mean Imperial capital. 龙京城 = LongJingCheng.

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Hmong Culture & History / Re: I have a question....

« on: November 24, 2015, 03:52:14 PM »

We should blend our language. Even the Americans has blended some European words already. Why can't Asians? From now on, Hmong people aren't Hmong people; Hmong people are now Dongyi (Rooj Yim).

Here is some trivia.

Dongyi is actually Ntoog yis. Dongyi was a term(maybe deragatory) use back then. Dongyi = Eastern Barbarian. 東= Ntoog or east. 夷 = Yis or foreigner. Hmong OG use this term as well when we differentiate ourselves. Terms like Maj-Suav-Yis = 蠻蜀夷. We use this term for primitive, foreigner, or non-familiar cultural people. So Dongyi is foreign to us. Regardless of scholar or scientist state otherwise. We never associate the term Dongyi with Hmong to begin with. Anyway too much politics involving.

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Hmong Culture & History / Re: Chinese Language vs. Hmong Language....

« on: November 24, 2015, 03:33:54 PM »

Oh really...inter esting. I would like to know. Can you show some that I can learn?

I am not well verse in Chinese. But I can recognize some word/characters in pinyin.

Here is a link of Mandarin Chinese: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandarin_Chinese
If you scroll down to grammar, it has this.

我   给   你   一本   书 。
wǒ   gěi   nǐ   yìběn   shū.
I   give   you   a (one)   book.

In Hmong you can read that as

Kuv kev nws ibphau sau. Although sau is use as writing and a verb; Ntawv as paper or book and as a noun. Sau is the equivalent of shū.

Direction examples

西 Xi = Sis = West
Example: Mus/Moog sis toj. Head West.

东 Dong = Ntoog = East
Example: Mus/Moog doog toj. Head East.

北 Bei = Peg or Pem =North
Example: Mus/Moog pem toj. Head North.

南 Nan = Nas, Laj, or Laaj = South Example: Mus/Moog nas toj. Head south.

山 Shan = Sab/Saab = Mountain side
Example: Nyoj/Noj sab/saab ntoog ntuj qaj. Its back at eastern side mountain.

Titles

子= Zi = Txiv/Txwv = Father
Nws yog kuv txiv/txwv. He is my father.

主 Zhu = Tswv = Boss/Owner
Example: Nws yog tus tswv. He/She is the owner.

王 Wang = Vaj/Vaaj = King
Example. Nws yog peb tug vaj/vaajtswv. He/She is our lord.

Seasons and Time examples

日 = Ri = Zwj, Hnub/Nub = Sun
Example: Hnub/Nub no yog zwj hnub/nub. Today is Sunday.

月 = Yue = Hlis/Lis = Moon
Example: Luj hlis/lis zoo nkauj. The moon is beautiful.

年 = Nian = Nyia/ Naj = Year
Example: Nyia/Naj xyoo kuv mus/moog ua si. Every year I go play.

点 = Dian = Teev = Hour
Example: Tshuav ib teev. There is one hour left.

时 = Shi = Sij = Time
Example: Tsis yog sij hawm. It is not time yet.

代 = Dai = Tam = Era
Example: Peb nyob/nob in tam. We lives a life time/generation.

冬 = Dong = Daus/Dlaus = Winter/Snow
Example: Hnub/Nub no/nuav yog lub caij los daus/dlaus. It is winter or Today it is snowing.

夏 = Xia = Xya/Xyaa or So = Summer
Example: Yog caij so/xya/xyaa. It is summer.

春 = Chun = Ntshua = Spring
Example: Paj ntshua nplaim. Rose or Flower blossom or flower leaves springs.

秋 = Qiu = Xyoo = Fall/Autumn
Example: Ib xyoo dhau/dhlau lawm. One year has past.

You can tell the way Hmong use these vocabulary are much different then Chinese. There are still way more though.

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Hmong Culture & History / Re: Is Chu Dynasty belongs to the Hmong people?

« on: December 16, 2014, 06:28:10 PM »

Say whaaawwttt?  ...  kekeke  ...   

The Chu State is but ONLY 1 of many states (independent kingdoms) during the Warring States, aka Three Kingdoms.  The "Three Kingdoms" is a reference the three most powerful vying for complete domination among over a dozen kingdoms  ...  KEKEKE  ...   

The "novel" you speak of is a "romanticized" imagining (re-imagining) of that ERA.  It is purely fictional based on historical events etc..  Big difference.  And that applies to the popular video game/s too. 

*yawns*  (I tire of trying to EDUMACATE Hmong and HA'Mung alike nowadays, but someone has to try and keep the sanity in check  ...  kekeke  ...   )

Yeah now I know you are bsing out your ass. When you say Chu was a state of Romance of the Three Kingdom. You should get banned for lying in pebhmong.

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The Single & Dating Scenes / Re: Do women chase men?

« on: December 16, 2014, 01:27:58 PM »

If you are to rate yourself from 1 to 10 on looks, personality, and communication. Where do you fall?

Looks: 7
Personality:10
Communication: 5

Then you will need to work in the communication. ..

Me

Looks: 6
Personality: 8
Communication: 8
Charisma: 7
Motivation: 4
Intelligence: 7
Agreeable: 8

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The Game Room / Re: Vietnam War: Fallen Heroes FEAT The Hmong

« on: December 16, 2014, 11:17:35 AM »

I'm kind of working on a story line first before actually generating animations and doing a gameplay. I'll script a sample script and see if you think it needs any modification or anything added in there.

Just go with basic of after 1950s. Because if you go back further it gets murky. 1890s-1920s Hmong vs French. 1940s Hmong vs Japanese occupants.

Also Nonghet was also one of Hmong first HQ or autonomous region given by the French.

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Hmong Culture & History / Re: Is Chu Dynasty belongs to the Hmong people?

« on: December 16, 2014, 10:02:45 AM »

Major Correction:  The Three Kingdoms of Chinese Antiquity,  of the popularized video game,  and the Warring States,  including Jet L's movie is/are all one and the same regarding era.  The only difference is perhaps the exact instance. And I assure you there are more popular/romanticized Generals of/from this Era than Just Cha n's Myth or any other time/era in/throughout Chinese history  ... kekeke ... 

Minor Correction: Didn't I recommend not to base your fact - finding on the Internet: wiki, Utube etc., ... kekeke ... 

Um what?  That is basically what I said. I was only correcting when you mentioned State of Chu during the Three Kingdoms. Three Kingdoms has only Shu Wei and Wu.

One of the reason Three Kingdom was popular was because of the novel.There is more than just Three Kingdom and Warring State. In any case I don't think this relates to the OP.

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Hmong Culture & History / Re: Is Chu Dynasty belongs to the Hmong people?

« on: December 16, 2014, 04:20:02 AM »

First of all, you need to get your CHRONOLOGY straight so that in making these kinds of baseless supposition, you will at least sound somewhat informed/educated -- and of sound mind.  Otherwise, those who know (and have researched) sound scholarships will simply  at your    ...  kekeke  ...     (Based on your incoherent CHRONOLOGY, it would seem (and is most evident) your elementary knowledge/info is most likely rooted/based on Wiki, internet sites/forums, Western/Eastern Hmong/Miao hearsay, and the motley of Utube videos peppered throughout the web like fairy dusts  ...   )

Secondly, there is/are NO CONCLUSIVE evidence, facts, data (historical or modern presentday research/records) to show, suggest, or most importantly PROVE that any and all 3 states; Chu, San Miao, and Chi You is Hmong whatsoever.  That is purely speculative.  Why?  Mainly and simply because it is a KNOWN FACT that none of them, these 3 states, are Chinese (Han or Manchu) period whatsoever.  Just because they ARE NOT Chinese does not make them Hmong though, by default.  That logic/rationale is ridiculous to say the least.  And especially with regards to the Chu State/Kingdom; it is without a doubt, and is believed/accepted by Western and Eastern scholars alike globally that it definitely IS NOT Chinese (Han or Manchu).  Again, that does not make it Hmong whatsoever either.  (Yes, all of this is based/rooted in historical and modern research/records/scholarships that anyone can easily research versus hearsay, or Internet mumbo-jumbo.)

Lastly, I highly recommend (suggest) any of you who is remotely interested in Hmong/Miao studies/history, to excercise some common sense and a bit of proactive researching yourselves; NOT purely vest whatever you think you know in/on Internet whatever etc., to get a better understanding and more well-rounded knowledgebase first and foremost versus making these types of borderline idiotic rants  ...  KEKEKE  ...   

HINT:  In its CORRECT chronology; the 3 states (or kingdoms) are 1.  Chi You (who fought against and lost to Huangdi and Yangdi), 2.  San Miao, and 3.  the Chu State/Kingdom during the Warring States Era, popularized in a video game called "Romance of the 3-Kingdoms" among other name/titles.  (Heck!  Even Jet Li's movie, "Hero", touched on this time period, if you knew/had known your Chinese aniquity.)

***  And "NO", the Hmong/Mong word/appellation "Txiv Yawg" does not equate to "Chi You" whatsoever.  Any half intellect (of sound mind) Hmong/Mong can make the same argument that "Tsis Yog" equates to "Chi You"  ...  KEKEKE  ...   

Minor correction: The Warring state was before the so called popularized video game Three Kingdoms period. Romance of the Three kingdom was accredited to a man by the name Luo Guanzhong during the Yuan and Ming Dynasty.

Jet Li Hero is a bad example. I prefer the movie based on Sun Bin. Even Jackie Chan the Myth was way better.Jet Li was about this assassin. Whilst Jackie Chan was about Qin Shi Huang Di best general Meng Yi.

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Anime | Manga / Re: You guys think Hmong dubbed animes would be good or funny?

« on: December 16, 2014, 02:50:37 AM »

It's funny because it's a monotonous speed reading.  Just don't have that's hyper screams like you would expect.

I remember a Hmong dubbed Onimusha 2 backed 2003. It has decent cast. As Hmong Green /White. The Hmong White dubber tends to play the hero while Hmong Green Dubber tends to be the villian. I notice that. 

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Hmong Culture & History / Re: Is Chu Dynasty belongs to the Hmong people?

« on: December 16, 2014, 02:03:46 AM »

I was wondering if this is true? Correct me if I am wrong, but I know the San Miao came after the Chu. I believe we have 3 dynasty that has fallen, which Chi You, Chu, and the San Miao.

I hope you refer State of Chu. Since there is no dynasty during the Warring State.

Short Answer: No.
Medium Answer: It's complicated. Not really.

Chu was consider by many such as Hmong, Han and Chu Natives. As it expanded it became an enemy of Hmong. So it's not Hmong. It is speculate that Chu Native chose not to assimilate became founders of San Miao. As for Chi You. No he isn't really Hmong ancestor. If you really want to know what does Yawg mean in Chinese. Yuan is the correct term. When Hmong meant Txiv Yawg we meant origin, not really grandpa. Meaning that Txiv Yawg or his descendant adopted the Chinese word Yuan. Back to Chi You. Chi You surname is speculate to be Jiang which is similar to the Qiangic. Note: Not the modern Qiangic people.

As for Chi You there is no story about him Hmong. Only Huangdi and Yandi. Interestingly Huangdi means Faajtim and Yandi means Yaajtim. My mother usually refer their name during her ritual. Meaning Huangdi and Yandi are not bad mythic people in Hmong culture.

As Txiv Yawg the only story closest to him is Genghis Khan. But that is a whole different topic.

PS: I use to believe all these three subjects were Hmong but as I play around with Chinese character. I starting to doubt it.

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Hmong Culture & History / Re: Does Hmong Shamanism have any foundation of itself?

« on: December 16, 2014, 01:47:50 AM »

I have debated against Hmong Shamanists on this website for quite awhile. Almost none of them can bring a good philosophical evidence to prove their logic is true. Also, about all of the truths in Shamanism are relative since there is no God in that realm. It all goes back to Buddhism where who is the mediator that will send them to Heaven or Hell. Some of this beliefs comes from China since I know that FACT that in the ancient times, all Chinese and other asians were pagans. Therefore, if there are other Shamanists who would stand and fight for their belief, I would like to see your philosophical evidence to disprove Christianity by its doctrine, not by the Christians and their behavior.

I'm pretty sure many people who ask why we have shamanism goes back to why we have mythical kings. In anyway many elder will most likely will bring up Sis Yis. Sis Yis was suppose to justify our practice. Basically Sis Yis was an archery horseman who also happen to be a healer against sickness and disease. In case you may have notice the word Yis correlate to the Chinese word Yi. Yi means Bow. So basically ancient rulers and kings were suppose to be fond of archery horse riding or some sort until the invention of such as chariot and crossbow.

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Hmong Culture & History / Re: Chinese Language vs. Hmong Language....

« on: December 16, 2014, 01:36:51 AM »

Hmong say "idea" incorrectly. It's "tsuv yim" and not "tswv yim".

Chinese Pinyin
chu3 yi4

NOT

cheu3 yi4

I'm pretty sure it's Tswv Yim. If I recall tswv mean boss or ownership. And one of the Chinese character for idea by itself means boss. As for Hmong vs Chinese, Hmong use a lot of archaic Chinese word.