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General Category => Hmong Culture & History => Topic started by: pajnpis on May 06, 2013, 01:07:28 PM
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My aunt recently had a dream of my grandma which is her mom. She dreamt that her mom came and ask her to get pregnant. She told her mom that all she have is boys and she's done. Her mom replied back telling her that it's going to be a girl (my aunt have 3 boys, 1 daughter and really wanted another girl). She asked her mom how does she know? Her mom gave her an envelope with a paper inside and told her to read it and she'll know why. My aunt was about to read it when her son woke her up.
I told my brother and husband about it on the way back to my mom's place after we visit my aunt and my brother said " what if grandma was going to reincarnate to be her daughter?" I thought it was crazy at first but then it got me thinking when hubby said that our ancestor believed in reincarnation into the family line so that may meant grandma's going to reincarnateor another ancestor to be her daughter. Never knows.
I've seen some videos on youtube about reincarnation of others. So what do you guys think?
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I do believe in reincarnation, but I'm not sure I reincarnated from past life. :-\
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My aunt recently had a dream of my grandma which is her mom. She dreamt that her mom came and ask her to get pregnant. She told her mom that all she have is boys and she's done. Her mom replied back telling her that it's going to be a girl (my aunt have 3 boys, 1 daughter and really wanted another girl). She asked her mom how does she know? Her mom gave her an envelope with a paper inside and told her to read it and she'll know why. My aunt was about to read it when her son woke her up.
I told my brother and husband about it on the way back to my mom's place after we visit my aunt and my brother said " what if grandma was going to reincarnate to be her daughter?" I thought it was crazy at first but then it got me thinking when hubby said that our ancestor believed in reincarnation into the family line so that may meant grandma's going to reincarnateor another ancestor to be her daughter. Never knows.
I've seen some videos on youtube about reincarnation of others. So what do you guys think?
Anything is possible. Life is full of mysteries.
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Not sure of you have a chance to view this compelling story. Can this person brought back what we are seeking answers and solutions about life after dead and be reborn again. Supposedly when one passed away, one has to drink the holy water to erase one's past life memory when one entering the gate of no return. However, it appears that she did not drink the holy water so basically, she remembering her past life with her son in very details. Perhaps her wishes had been granted and that maybe wishes do come true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8F1eKUCZD4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8F1eKUCZD4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lvWGMmu1NM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lvWGMmu1NM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlhRSG_tFz4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlhRSG_tFz4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpcEbrNj8V8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpcEbrNj8V8)
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I'm sure y'all have heard the story about the Diary of Anne Frank in high school English class.
Here is the video of her reincarnated.
http://youtu.be/H1TjTRbw2UY (http://youtu.be/H1TjTRbw2UY)
http://youtu.be/PxsC-TGAwsQ (http://youtu.be/PxsC-TGAwsQ)
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I'm sure y'all have heard the story about the Diary of Anne Frank in high school English class.
Here is the video of her reincarnated.
http://youtu.be/H1TjTRbw2UY (http://youtu.be/H1TjTRbw2UY)
http://youtu.be/PxsC-TGAwsQ (http://youtu.be/PxsC-TGAwsQ)
I bet she kept diaries throughout her reincarnation periods.
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I'm sure y'all have heard the story about the Diary of Anne Frank in high school English class.
Here is the video of her reincarnated.
http://youtu.be/H1TjTRbw2UY (http://youtu.be/H1TjTRbw2UY)
http://youtu.be/PxsC-TGAwsQ (http://youtu.be/PxsC-TGAwsQ)
WoooooOOOO...I am speechless.
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I bet she kept diaries throughout her reincarnation periods.
I think so too.
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WoooooOOOO...I am speechless.
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Was not aware that Anne frank reincarnated.
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Was not aware that Anne frank reincarnated.
Might as well visit her in Sweden and have her autograph signed. ;)
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I don't believe in reincarnation. I don't believe in certain dreams like what you just said. Since I am a Christian, reincarnation falls down to Buddhism. I'm sorry, Hmong shamanism cannot mix with Buddhism because there is NOT ONE word of text in the Hmong shaman book that says about reincarnation. Buddhism is atheism and Shamanism is polytheism. How can they mix?
Believe or not, that's your opinion. There's no need to push others not to believe anything they should. ;D
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Dude, that's a FACT! Why can't anybody acknowledge what is knowledge? I can't believe that you are proving my teacher to be right. In fact, what I see in Asian people to explain why most Asians are so backward. Are you considering this as a threat? Please, I pray not :-\ . I am just here to tell the truth. If you can't acknowledge what is knowledge, then I understand why certain people are closed minded to which they are not willing to be educated. I thank to Mr. Tearance Mullins, a political professor who teaches about poli-sci, was right about the uneducated. I feel sad for you. The stereotypes were always true, even IF I don't want to believe it.
I guess the uneducated, don't want to be educated and would have ignorant mind instead.
My friend, I prefer to be close minded than being lured by such fake individuals twisting my mind with such nonsense. It can be either poli-sci teacher or world history teacher or economic teacher or geography teacher. You may think what you like and believe whatever they teach you something you want to believe. I don't mind. Ok? Don't you know what Jesus and God want me to do, ignore false doctrines made by teachers and avoid false witness. O0
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No wonder why smart people oppress the people like you guys. Did you know that the founding fathers didn't really like the kind of people who has no education? Do you know that they do? They make you VOTE to lose your rights because you no NOTHING about the world nor any sorts of knowledge. Thanks to the Madisonian scheme for the constitution, you are voting your rights to be taken away.
Why so work up on this subject, bro? ;D Chill, chill.
FYI, don't you realize the founding fathers were part of the Freemason sect and they contradict to the Christian belief? Haven't you noticed something odd about their laws and how they operate to keep the foreigners like us converted into their wanna-be Jewish culture? I think you did not.
Since they claim they're Christian, there were certain things they've contradicted some laws of the ten commandments.
2 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
- Images of five U.S. presidents on the Federal notes/dollar bills and coins, George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Jackson, Ulysses S. Grant, and Benjamin Franklin. Who made them? Of course the Federal Banks under Freemason.
- Statues of Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, were placed at the memorial in Washington D.C. Statue of Liberty erected in New Jersey, NY.
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Black Neegrow served them as slaves before Civil War. Up til now, Afro American, Hispanic, French, Irish, work as any job and still serving under Freemason's rule.
3 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. During the segregation, they hanged blacks for hate crime. http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lshabfb5Ow1r0g9uxo1_500.jpg (http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lshabfb5Ow1r0g9uxo1_500.jpg).
6 Thou shalt not kill. From this day, White cops in Arizona hate and kill black ppls. White cops in Texas also hate and kill black ppls as well. Truly hypocrites took God's name in vain.
7 Thou shalt not commit adultery. I'm sure the founding fathers did cheat on their wives. You may wanna look them up online. ;)
You may have read or heard about the incident of President Clinton. He had a wife, Hilary Rodham Clinton, but he had an affair with his female intern, Monica Lewinsky, at the White House.
And now I can finally rest my case. 8)
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It is not what i believe but what i question.
There are cases of people saying that they are the reincarnation of jesus christ. I heard of two cases in which both became pastors to their own make believe church for profit.
First off Jesus was resurrected so how can he be reincarnated?
Second, how can there be two or more, living at the same time?
Third, karma is the driving mechanism behind reincarnation so what debt did jesus owe?
When it comes to reincarnation stories, it is usually someone popular or famous. What we need is a bugs bunny or Mickey mouse case to spice things up. ;D
I spent a big amount of my childhood playing astronaut for imagination. I would decked my table with everything where i can pull some lever to fly my spaceship. What sparks this interest still puzzled me today for i have never heard or can even spell the word astronaut till years later in bottle feeding school.
My conclusion is that the science behind reincarnation is bias. Even the famous scientist named Stevenson who spent most of his life trying to study this n when he died in 2007, he still could not conclude it. His study is bias due to his translators all are believers of reincarnation. O0
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No wonder why smart people oppress the people like you guys.
No wonder they hated me for being a smart-@$$. ;D
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The fact is I'm having difficult time understanding which side TheAfterLife is on neither Atheist nor Theist. ;D
There's one post he explained he's a Theist, BUT this one he cares about Buddhism even more. ???
Right now it makes absolutely clear that TheAfterLife is trying to make anyone looks dumb . HA! Every individual has the right to keep nonsense out of his/her mind and keep the things make sense when he/she put the whole pieces of the puzzles together his/her own way. This is why smart people like so called Madisonian can't keep their own religion and politic to themselves.
Like I said God and Jesus forbid me to serve, listen to their crappy laws, and ignore their false doctrines. AMEN!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP9fznWFt38 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP9fznWFt38)
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Christians are tired of teaching morons
If this is true, then it explains a lot about your beliefs and ideas that you have been in posting here.
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Since the Republic of America is similar to Christianity, I'd say, 40% of it, have some structure for its morality. I know it is poor; however, your Buddhism thingy leads to an oligarchy religion. If you like being an oligarchy, then join Pol Pot.
Actually, Pol Pot's government was the same as your ideal government, dictatorship, pretty much like Christianity. Simply put it, the laws/rules are absolute according to how , what and when the dictator see the the situation.
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Why are you so afraid of the educated ones? You can join Pol Pot and his genocidal regime against smart people. You can, but you will be oppress. This world was meant to be ruled by the smart, not the dumb.
A better question to ask is, "why are you so afraid of the uneducated ones?"
This world was meant to be ruled by the smart, not the dumb.
And is the answer to the question. The world is meant to be ruled by the smart because they fear the dumb. Whereas the dumb do not fear the smart, that is why they are willing to let them rule.
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About Buddhism, you can keep your immorality together because you're too ignorant to see that it is immoral to worship idols. Also, it is immoral to prove that the universe is eternal since science disprove Buddhism. It's a sham religion!
So the truth finally comes out. You hate Buddhism because you are envious, jealous, etc, etc, of what they truly are. You see it and know it in yourself that that your god has never been angry at them or never punished them. They are the true children of your god, the ones he created in his image. You have to suffer through your entire life and maybe god might let you into heaven after you die. Whereas Buddhists never left god's side and he never left theirs.
You see? Right now, you are like the serpent that tricked Adam and Eve into eating the fruit. Funny how in a way history repeats itself. The descendants of Adam and Eve has become the serpent that tricked their ancestors years back. But this time, Man(Buddhists), was too strong to be tricked and never left Eden. Looks like god really love his true children. O0
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But overall, reincarnation is false. He said something earlier that there was no judge. Moreover, it sounds a lot like Shamanism where we all go to the same place. Am I right? It sounds like it and it is somewhat similar to Shamanism. Buddhism is immoral because there is no justice.
I wouldn't say that reincarnation is totally false either. I am 98% sure that it is false for the evidences do not support it however, I can give it that 2% to further explain this with the realm of spirituality. To make it fair for everybody who believes in a religion, spirits do exist. If a person dies and such person does not want to make that journey through the after life, it can linger as a ghost and no better than to get a new body or host to continue its journey. Ever had a Dejavu moment? It is like we have been here before but we just can not put our teeth to it nor can we explain it. Then our realization creeps on in and brings us back to life and we just forget about it and continue to live this life, this world with this body, our own body.
Now if reincarnation exist and if memories do carry on from one to the next then who to say that I can only remember my previous life? Why not the life before that life and the one before that was a dung eating bug because obviously, I'm full of chit? See where I'm getting with this? :2funny:
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Well, that is just a saying. It doesn't prove pantheism to be true. I am a Christian who studies Apologetic and I find Buddhism to be unfair and unjust!
Well to practice Buddhism, you have to go all in and be the Buddha. In other words, you ward all suffering and even giving birth is a suffering so if you want to make children, you then can not be the Buddha. No children means the end of everything and the world stops. If everybody dies off then will the next person being reincarnated will come back as a human being? I do not think so.
A buddha temple is very peaceful and very quiet. However, even sitting in one place and meditating can hurts the joints and kinda boring if you sit there for hours upon hours and with that, i say that is a form of suffering.
So basically, if you want to be the Buddha, you have to do nothing because from nothing, you will then find your psycho peace within yourself. If everyone is the buddha then no productivity can be made. Even fasting is a form of suffering. You sit under a tree to meditate and hoping that the fruit from such tree will drop so you can eat it.
It then be the same analogical example when some dumb atheist be telling me that I need to be like my Christ. If everyone is being christ like, nothing can be done also. All we do is walking around and spreading the good news and a job that does not pay. We go from places to places and if people welcome us in then we eat, if not then we go hungry. Same thing can be said with Buddhism monks. They don't beg and only take what is freely given to them.
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Who said I was afraid? Where on EARTH did I say that? LOL! :2funny:
Hahaha. Your words speaks for itself. You are afraid of that those people will cause anarchy. Yes dude, you are very afraid.
That's because you will bring anarchy, DUUUDE!
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Where on EARTH did you get that? Are you assuming that this is me?
Hahaha. You just proved that I am correct. You do feel envy and jealousy.
Nah man. I am just attacking Buddhism because I find it immoral and unfair for a prisoner to go to paradise when they haven't learn what is conviction. Is it fair for someone who deserves paradise who does nothing good in life at all? Dude, your falling into communism. For example, a person is lazy vs. someone who works his butt off. They both get paid equally and it doesn't matter if the other guy is lazy...as long he gets his needs. REALLY!?!?! Where's the standard in that?
Dude...your not arguing. Your failing epically! LOL! You got no evidence and all you do is to bark at my arguments. LOL! :2funny:
You see? You are jealous that your god gave them paradise without suffering, while you have to suffer. Jealous just like the serpent. O0
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Where in the constitution that says that? One more thing, I don't like being taught by the ignorance since I now know why Pol Pot hates smart people. He would do ANYTHING to eliminate all smart people who were very educated since he finds them as a threat. Why can't dumb people protest and put some banner sign to go against the smart people? Well, that's because dumb people will always be ruled.
Dumb people brings oligarchy while smart people brings a republic.
Why ask me these lame questions if you're so darn smart. Can't you look them up online by yourself? I find it amusing that a smart person and braggart like you can be dumb too. ;D
One more thing, I don't like being taught by the ignorance since I now know why Pol Pot hates smart people
Whatever you posted about Constitution and Madisonian are not correlate to this thread. Nobody force to teach you about reincarnation. You force yourself in here and be butt-hurt by it. ROLF!!
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I am a Theist, a monotheist. I study Christianity. Is there a problem about that? Almost everybody, like Gracie, knows that I am a theist. I was the one who brought Apologetics on PH in the first place.
If you said you're fully Theist can you explain how did the bible appear in the courtroom. I noticed the Judicial branch along with other branches were also part of the Constitution. Check out the Establishment Clause test #3: it must not foster an excessive government entanglement with religion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPaugKxvJzM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPaugKxvJzM)
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I'm sure TheAfterLife gonna like this one. http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/17/opinion/obeidallah-bible/ (http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/17/opinion/obeidallah-bible/) Come on admit it dude. The President from Legislative branch was also part of Constitution. Even previous American Presidents including the founding fathers place their hands upon the "BIBLE" to swear a oath that they should serve, protect, and defend their country/nation.
If religion is not part of Constitution why bother bring the book to the inauguration. Oh sure... like I didn't know they could cover up their lies. What a HYPOCRITE!!!
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I think it's quite possible. There are many stories circulating about reincarnation and it's just one of those things that we will never know.
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I think it's quite possible. There are many stories circulating about reincarnation and it's just one of those things that we will never know.
Reincarnation should not be like a gift where only a certain groups of people are able to experience it. What makes a person with such stories any different than you?
So then they will change the game n say that because your previous life as an animal, you then are not able to experience the human factor. Well by golly, them stories cases are far less than how many people died each day so what happened there?
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A lot of times a person with a belief that forbids them to believe in reincarnation will never believe in it. Then there those who own belief is still lacking will pick such idea n make it their own. I mean if shamanism is still incomplete, then a new belief is not too far fetch behind. It does not complicate their own belief so thus why they are able to believe in such thing like karma.
With the Christian side, bad karma is the work of the devil n good karma is god rewards so the choice is ours to choose which side we want to harvest. Or something like that ;D
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Reincarnation should not be like a gift where only a certain groups of people are able to experience it. What makes a person with such stories any different than you?
So then they will change the game n say that because your previous life as an animal, you then are not able to experience the human factor. Well by golly, them stories cases are far less than how many people died each day so what happened there?
Please don't try to strawman your way out of this. No one's saying any of that, and frankly I'm baffled as to why why you're putting it in that context. If anything what we can infer here is that it is a possibility among many things. Perhaps in the end there are many possibilities of what happens after death. These are metaphysical topics, and like I said we'll never know a true answer for it. At least not with the knowledge we currently have. If you took some time to actually read these stories then you'd see how amazingly and accurately detailed some of them are. I get it that this challenges your absolute view of one true religion, but hey if you need it to make you feel better then all these meta experiences only go to say that perhaps ALL current religions are incorrect. Men are flawed, and interpretation s from men will be flawed, regardless of what religion you identify with that is something you can at least agree with.
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Dude, I don't get your punchline...SE RIOSLY...I don't. I am not jealous--where on earth did you get that? O_o
Okay, I came from arguing against Reincarnation and you blast on something I got I lost. You'd expect me to ought to know what your brain is thinking? Dude, you're weird. I am one page 11 and you are one page 120. That's what I am saying. I don't your punchline. You say random things and claim I am this? Stop putting words in my mouth and get the topic. Do you believe in Reincarnation? If yes, then prove it scientifically or philosophicall y.
Use your Logos, Pathos, and Ethos dude.
Your own words says it all. O0
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Please don't try to strawman your way out of this. No one's saying any of that, and frankly I'm baffled as to why why you're putting it in that context. If anything what we can infer here is that it is a possibility among many things. Perhaps in the end there are many possibilities of what happens after death. These are metaphysical topics, and like I said we'll never know a true answer for it. At least not with the knowledge we currently have. If you took some time to actually read these stories then you'd see how amazingly and accurately detailed some of them are. I get it that this challenges your absolute view of one true religion, but hey if you need it to make you feel better then all these meta experiences only go to say that perhaps ALL current religions are incorrect. Men are flawed, and interpretation s from men will be flawed, regardless of what religion you identify with that is something you can at least agree with.
My straw against your view points that everything is possible. Even gravity is flawed for one day,there will be no gravity.
We may not know exactly to what happens after death but i am not here to push a mass hysteria either. Even the government tried to push esp n that story sells a better story than this reincarnation stuff. Behind all stories are stories behind it. Don't be blind to take the first pencil at it. O0
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Science or philosophy please? I am Christian Skeptic and I don't believe reincarnation because we all go to the same place. That's immoral and unjust since there is no ruler to judge who gets to reincarnate or not. I agree that men are flawed; however, it doesn't mean all of them are wrong. By comparing the context of philosophy between the bible, God gives grace, forgiveness, and love through someone's conviction. Buddha doesn't teach about God dude; he teaches the pessimistic of life and he wants you to suck it up. I find that very hypocritical for them to believe in peace.
Go study Buddhism more before you start assuming the beliefs of Buddhism.
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Science or philosophy please? I am Christian Skeptic and I don't believe reincarnation because we all go to the same place. That's immoral and unjust since there is no ruler to judge who gets to reincarnate or not. I agree that men are flawed; however, it doesn't mean all of them are wrong. By comparing the context of philosophy between the bible, God gives grace, forgiveness, and love through someone's conviction. Buddha doesn't teach about God dude; he teaches the pessimistic of life and he wants you to suck it up. I find that very hypocritical for them to believe in peace.
The major difference is that Christianity teach that one's own life/existence really has no meaning. You are not in control of your own fate, instead, it was predetermined by someone else. .
That's immoral and unjust since there is no ruler to judge who gets to reincarnate or not.
Obviously, you are clueless about Buddhism. If you would've been willing to open your mind and learn, you would've known who determines whether you reincarnate or not. You would've also realized that morality is irrelevant, some might even consider it a joke when it comes to the teachings of Jesus Christ and Buddha.
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Oh really? Buddha says to himself that he is NOT a god. Go to India and believe me, they don't believe Buddha was a god. Is Sadartha a god or a man?
Your calling me that I need to know about Buddhism? You claim that Buddha was a God, which means Sidartha, the founder of Buddhism is a god, was only a man yo, LOL! :2funny:
I have a history teacher and he believes in the Buddha that teaches there is no god. His name is, "Jack Latson." Go ahead and research about him. He's a buddhist and he says most buddhist does nothing all day but get high. That's the truth. If you put two types of Buddhism, one from China (Who believes Buddha was a God) vs. one from India (Who doesn't believe in God exist), they go nowhere in the argument. However, most likely, the Chinese are wrong when it comes to Buddhism in India rather than China. So I am not uneducated about this since I asked the teacher quite a few times about this. Anyway, have fun researching the difference between one from China and India.
Who said anything about Buddha being a god? This is the reason why you always confused yourself when it comes to religion. You take your own religion/belief as a template, then you try to put other religions on top of it. In the future learn to look at a particular religion as a whole and separate belief first before trying to dissect it.
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Again, you are comparing Buddhism to your personal religious beliefs. I'll go more in detail.
False. Morality in Buddhism is immoral because of their practices in idol worship.
False, Buddhism don't worship an idol as a deity, so your claim is dismissed as evidence. Second, Buddhism doesn't teach that idolatry is wrong, therefore, there's nothing immoral about it.
Moreover, they don't respect the existence of God already dude. It's blasphemy to claim he doesn't exist.
Again, personal religious beliefs. An atheist can simply say that Christianity is wrong because god doesn't exist. That's not evidence, just a personal belief. Your claim is dismissed.
Would you say to your parents that they don't exist by insulting them on purpose?
Because you are the more loving, caring, wiser person, would you send your children to prison forever simply because they insulted you?
Also, you do lose your memories of your love ones that you know in the infinite past already. Therefore, why believe in Buddhism when all of your memories will be erase? What's the point of having a relationship when they will be erased anyway?
That's why Buddhists try to get to their "salvation" and know be with their love ones for eternity. Now, what's the point of being in a relationship and seeing your love ones in prison knowing your parents won't let you be with them for all eternity?
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Morality in Buddhism is immoral because of their practices in idol worship.
Since you mentioned it, worshipping morality is idolatry.
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1. Look, there are two types of Buddhism. Have you not even checkout my professor's background, Jack Latson? He said that Zen Buddhism believes Buddha was a God. I know for the FACT that he WASN'T a god, so we both agree that Buddha wasn't a god. Good. I was checking on you. Since Buddhism teaches you how to get out from the cycle of reincarnation, who says who gets to go to Nirvana? Is there a judge or a person that declared who gets to go where and there?
2. Then I guess you don't respect the Creator when he gave you life to this world along with the planet. Shouldn't you thank Him more since He's on children welfare?
3. Go look at the case of the Murder of James Bulgar. I want you to get pissed off from that documentary because it will piss you off. I got pissed off by watching it. Oh,and go watch the Murder of Zachury Turner. Now ask yourself, Should a notorious murderer go to Heaven when they don't seek conviction? The answer is NO! If you go watch the story of Jacob, how long was he angry? The answer was "almost to life." He was pist at his brothers until they ask him for forgiveness. I mean, if you sold your half-brother to egypt as a slave, what kind of a curse do you get? That is answer is: "Regret." God's most powerful weapon would be karma and regret. I have seen some of my uncles who didn't love their wife until they passed away from their own eyes. Do you know what happened to them? They mourn with stress, they feel the regret, they cannot sleep from the pain they gave onto their wife--should we respect them? NO! That is the first taste of hell. You will have karma first before the eternal regret. I hope you enjoy those videos because some people are born without any sense of regret (Don't forgive them too soon until they ask for their conviction {Lesson learned first}).
4. It's the same thing as the 3rd one. Should you love them in a communistic way? Look, we get of what we get in life since we cannot share our stuff that we made in our hearts. Your deeds are your deeds, my deeds are my deeds. Jesus doesn't burn a guy to hell for no good reason. He sends them to Hell because they don't want to be good in life. Again, not all murderers go to heaven. Most of them goes to Hell. I mean, I had a friend once who says that he always laugh at the movie of Schindler's List before he got kicked out of class for being so offensive. Also, he said that he finds murder not to be wrong but funny. Like I said, there always two types of people: Bad and Good. The bad ones goes to Hell because they choose to. Jesus wants them to go to heaven, but do they really deserve it when they already don't respect God? I mean, I had an uncle who really want to kill his own parents because they complain too much about his life (He bought a coffin at their death bed). Do you think some of those people deserves to go to Heaven? I will let you have a thought for a moment...
5. Okay, if you truly believe that the Dalai Lama is who he claim to be, why doesn't he remember his past past?
1. So you finally remembered something your professor taught you. Good for you. Now we can move on with Buddhism being an atheistic religion. Your evidence dismissed.
2. As I said many times before, that's your own belief. So an atheist wouldn't be disrespecting a creator because there is no creator according to his/her belief. So your evidence dismissed.
3. It doesn't matter where someone goes after they die. What's important is what happens to them after they die. And since heaven is a Christianity belief, it's irrelevant. Again, your evidence is dismissed.
4. Look at number 3. And since you are a Christian, it doesn't matter what you think about someone deserving to go to heaven or not. It's not for you to decide. So again, your evidence is dismissed.
5. So is the Dali Lama supposed to remember? Or does he just have no comment?
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Remember, we don't go to the same place like Shamanism. Shamanism is primitive, uneducated, and ignorant farmers. If they don't like their culture is being dominated by other culture, then move out into the 3rd world countries instead.
Remember, if you don't go to the same place after death then why worry? Unless if you really think/know that you are. Or perhaps, according to your own beliefs, you know you're going to another place that is not heaven.
This will answer to your #3. Not everyone can go to the same place is because of what they reap and sow
Place is irrelevant after death. Everyone goes to the same"place." It's what happens to them that matters.
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On five, he's suppose to. If he doesn't, then Buddhism is a crock of shit.
Explain how he is supposed to or required to remember?
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So you believe that God is a moral monster? Should we stop the genocide of murderers in jail then? Because I am okay to genocide a group of murderers (Type 2) who are just insane. Type 1 murder can rehabilitate because there is hope for them to change, like Apostle Paul. For someone like Adolf Hitler, the murder case of James Bulgar, and the murder case of Zachary Turner, these guys are hopeless.
How do you know who is type 1 and who is type 2?
If you don't like the court system in America, since Mexican hates Americans for killing murderers and thieves in jail, then why not leave to Mexico?
That's why I'm still living in the USA. I can feel that way and not required to leave the country. Or I can change how the court system works if I choose to. That's what the founding fathers had in mind when creating this nation. It's the American way.
Hey, it's okay to judge someone who is hopeless to change when you know it for yourself. Save the ones who can change since there are always two types of people--Bad type 1 (Changeable) and Bad type 2 (Hopeless).
So, it is the judgement of the people that determines if someone is going to heaven or hell? You already made the decision for them before hand. That's predestenation . As I mentioned before, according to Christianity, isn't it god's decision?
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Hold up...so you're saying when we die, all good and bad people goes to the same place? Should I requote about Communism?
Straw man. Since it has nothing to do with my argument anyways, sure you can requote communism if it makes you feel any better. Or should I requote myself?
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Then what's the point of being good in life by doing it so hard? If you're going to meet Adolf Hitler on the same side where you are, is it irrelevant to obey parent's orders from the start? Look pal, when we die, you get of what you deserve. If you murder somebody, you go to hell. If you do good in life and worship God with all your mind, soul, and body, then you go to Heaven. That's fair for everyone. How is fair for the fairness and not fair for the unjust? Quite simple. Because nice people are ****s since haters gonna hate. However, since you agree we go to same place when we die, what's the point of being so humble in life? There is no NEED to be. Why not murder right now and purge to your full selfish needs. Why not? Why not rape a woman, gut her afterwards, and then claim there is no right nor wrong to what you did. That's very pessimistic of you.
So why bother being good or bad if you don't know that Hitler is being punished? What's the point in obeying your parents if you don't know and will never know the difference between good and bad? So in other words, you don't and will never know if what you did was good or bad. Being rewarded would be meaningless.
So would you like to be rape every day for the rest of your life as long as you are being told that it's a reward?
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Why your asking me, that is irrelevant. I am asking you since you know. You claim reincarnation is real, so prove it. Prove to me that it is real by seeing if their memories are back.
You haven't answered my question, instead you are just trying to avoid the question.
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Since you haven't got a clue what a straw man argument is, read this.
A straw man is a common reference argument and is an informal fallacy based on the representation of an opponent's argument.
Try reading my post before making a straw man argument. I'll try one more time to see if you will read it and not make another straw man argument. Place is irrelevant, it's the reward or punishment that matters. The whole point is to learn and know if you were good or bad.
I'll ask again, would you like to be rape every day for the rest of your life as long as you are being told that it's a reward?
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This is what Shamanism claim:
When we die, we all go to the same place. It doesn't matter whether you are good or evil, as long we all go to the same place when we die. That's the flaw in shamanism. This is my argument and you totally miss the punchline.
This is what Shamanism claim:
When we die, we all go to the same place. It doesn't matter whether you are good or evil, as long we all go to the same place when we die. That's the flaw in shamanism. This is my argument and you totally miss the punchline.
There is NO justice in shamanism. All rapist, murderers, pacifist, church goers, atheist--they all go to the same place.
I'm a Christian and I find this to be flawed. I rebuke Shamanism to claim that we all go to the same place, AKA: the ancestors.
I have not yet seen any good evidence for shamanism to prove that their religion holds the truth.
You totally failed the punchline and not understanding your own religion. What a shame. Have you not heard about the elders who told you that you were going to your ancestors when you die? Please, reread your own background before you come and not understanding my attacks.
I pray you are not ignorant. Shamanism has no justice! :police:
You must be desperate for writing all those posts. I can see that you took a lot of effort into those posts, unfortunately for you, there's one big problem, how does this disprove reincarnation?
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How am I avoiding your question? That question is irrelevant dude.
You just answered your own question. You think that the question is irrelevant that's why you never answered it. In regards to my question about memories, claiming that someone not remembering their past life is not evidence for disproving reincarnation. Reincarnation does not require people to recall their memories of the past life. So if I don't remember what I did on February 13, 2013, does that mean that I didn't exist on that particular date?
Buddhism and the truth is, their documentation doesn't apply to science. I could go on with the list and I HOPE you're not like the Step-Brothers who epically failed on their job interview. I ask you and you start to ask ME like this section between the blonde lady and them?:.
How can you go on with the list when there was never a list to begin with? You cannot claim that something doesn't apply to science and not give any evidence to back up that claim. All you did was give opinions of why you think reincarnation isn't real.
BTW, referencing the bible, god, or anything of Christianity belief for that matter, is irrelevant. That's not science.
Look, I am attacking Buddhism and you're suppose to defend it. Well, where are your defense?
When someone throws straw man arguments and fallacies at their opponents, it takes longer to to defend their side. I must first defend against your ridiculous and BS claims. BTW, your claims of evidence against were refuted and again, yet you kept repeating it over and over using it as evidence. Now do you see why not much evidence was presented yet? (Rhetorical question by the way.) This post wouldn't have been necessary if you didn't use any irrelevant, straw man arguments, fallacies, etc.
I just SAID IT! Are you that SLOW? You CANNOT remember who you were and were before. Am I right?
If you are that DUMB, I have answered the question already that DISPROVE reincarnation. You cannot remember who you were and were before.
Once again, you've just proved yourself wrong by posting this. I'll explain it in a simple and SLOW way so you can hopefully understand. Your argument failed before, repeating it numerous times doesn't make it true. This argument was refuted above. Now for you proving yourself wrong, here's the explanation. According to your logic, I am slow and dumb that's why I cannot remember. So since I cannot remember it, it's not true, or in other words, it doesn't exist. But since I can just scroll up and look, I saw that you you kept repeating yourself, so truthfully as evidence showed, you did say that. Therefore, not being able to remember one's own past life or what was being posted in this thread does not disprove reincarnation.
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again, if you don't believe in reincarnation. .. why does it bother you so? The only time something bothers you is if you are having doubts about your own belief.
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hmmm...I thought I was in the wrong thread. I flipped to the original thread post and whoooops. When did this thread became another, "I'm smarter than you thread." :D
Anyway, I believe in reincarnation. Maybe it's more like, I have faith in reincarnation. Perhaps it's, I hope to be reincarnated into a better version of me. ;)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWyHuN1G1vk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWyHuN1G1vk)
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May you quote my stuff to be evident? I prefer you to quote my stuff so I may see where I hit the wrong button.
There are too many to list all of them. Even after I explained it so many times before why it can't be use as evidence, you still wouldn't accept it, so why bother? And just to point out what I'm talking about, even though you probably still won't accept it, here is a one of your quote after I explained it.
How can you do good in life by cutting the cycle. In the bible, God declared that man cannot recover from its own sin. Only God can save them. It's like your voting to lose your own rights, to which all American people did when Habeus Corpus was activated.
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I guess you didn't get the punch line. If you're defending Buddhism, then you should answer my question. If you ask for Christianity, I will answer the best that I can do.
Since it's not about Christianity, why are you always bringing it up? And I didn't ask about Christianity, I asked about your belief in accordance to your moral standards.
That's my whole point. You ask me if I know Buddhism like a scholar from head to toe. I only know of what I know about Buddhism and their points.
And this is my whole point. You only see what you want to see, and not for what it is. With you being like this, that's why you usually used the same old tactic of putting your own conclusions about what others say, to try and weaken their arguments. A clear example is what you commented above. I never asked you if you knew Buddhism like a scholar, and yet, there it is. And since you admit to not knowing much about Buddhism, why sweep aside the new information of what Buddhism is that is being taught to you?
. It may be bias; however, it's better than being an ignorant who talks something out from its own ass.
Nice punch line. It's the irony that is good about it. I actually like this one because it describes exactly who you are and/or what you are doing. Admitting that you don't know much about Buddhism, then writing your punch line pretty much concludes this debate.
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I don't have doubts in my beliefs. The only thing that I doubt is other world religion, like this one. Shamanism can be destroyed into bits. All you need is to get an educated man to stand there, destroy the religion with a few words, and get them to your side. Thanks to science...
As for Reincarnation, that has been destroyed by scientists. Again, you cannot have an infinite regression of reincarnation. That wouldn't make any sense in science nor philosophy. If you can prove that reincarnation is real, then I would like to see it. If you cannot prove it, then just don't believe it.
Thank God, I am thankful for learning about Apologetics. It is the educated that destroys the uneducated with big threats. Thank America...duck YEAH, LOL! :2funny: :knuppel2:
Looks like your arguments getting refuted over and over again proves the statement true. O0
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Well, u have to. If u don't, then it shows the lack of showing work in my forum on this section. Show ur work and stop being lazy. Just do it like how I do it. I quit people all the time.
Well, it looks like you are lacking the work that you are talking about. I showed you many times already and if you are too lazy to look at it then there is no point wasting my time in reposting it.
On the black quote, where did I say that literally? In fact, I only studied on what I know, not what I want to know. There's a difference between ignorant vs. curiosity kills the cat. I am the cat and I don't give a duck if I gossip and spoil knowledge to the world, even IF the government wants me dead.
Are you claiming that I am ignorant? Re-read again. I am bias. Even you are bias. That's normal. Ignorant is not normal; Ignorant people are like the racist bigots who got no education in anything. In fact, they lack evidence to prove their claim.
ignorant
[ig-ner-uh nt]
adjective
2.
lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact
That definition fits you perfectly. Even though you lack information on reincarnation, you refused to learn more from others.
Where? On that black spot? That's not evidence. Where? Can you at least point at it?
It's been listed, and I've explained it more than once, so show the work and look for it.
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In fact, I only studied on what I know, not what I want to know.
Exactly my point. You refuse to study on what you don't know. You don't know what reincarnation really is and yet you refused to learn more about it. That fits your example of racist bigots. They based information on a particular race/ethnic group on the information that they know. They refuse to learn more on the information they should know..
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You have to repost it. This is my forum. And if you don't show your valid work by reposting again, I am sorry. Again, reincarnation diminishes morality. If you have so many chances to redeem your self, how can you? I mean, it's like The Notebook movie, where you try so hard to redeem their soul when you know there is no hope. Look, you have 1 life and that life is it. Do you REALLY believe that the dalai lama is who he really claim to be? Do you have any evidence? Because in Christ, God declared that we have one life. In fact, Buddhism has no scientific evidence to prove that reincarnation is true. Also, they also believe that the universe is eternal when Mr. Hubble, the father of the microwave telescope had discovered the Big Bang. Have you not seen William Lane Craig and John Lennox who literally destroyed atheism? In fact, all buddhist are too chicken to debate against Christianity and all religion. It's like blind faith = you were married on the first day without knowing who is this person is.
I don't mind if I attack you and if someone ask me, "Well then, who created God?" Well, you cannot have an infinite regression like that God created that God would be nonsense. There wouldn't be a beginning. In fact, knowing the beginning is POINTLESS when you have an infinite regression. That wouldn't be science; that would lead to false scientific fact. Speaking about infinite regression, that sounds a lot like reincarnation. How many times were you born? If you don't know, then your belief is invalid. I have shown my evidence to you through philosophy and logic. I'd say, all scientist who debated against John Lennox were destroyed by him. I mean, even Richard Dawkins, the greatest atheist, lost so shamefully to his audience. Almost everyone in that debate are bias. I'd even prove that bias vs. ignorant are different. It's like saying narrow truth vs. passive truth.
One more thing...buddhi sm leads to materialism which it has been refuted by Christians like Frank Turek and Norman Geisler.
I could give you this:
http://www.impantokratoros.gr/dogma-reincarnation.en.aspx (http://www.impantokratoros.gr/dogma-reincarnation.en.aspx)
Hahaha.
More evidence to add to the list that you are ignorant. When one knows that they have lost a debate, they use the escape hatch.
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You can say kiss goodbye to materialism since it does sound a lot like reincarnation by studying the infinite regression.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gKDP6R0jqc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gKDP6R0jqc)
Looks like you just admitted defeat.
This is what happens to Buddhism since it branched off from Hinduism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWwxr9FfdWw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWwxr9FfdWw)
Hahaha.
Now you're resorting to special pleading?
Don't worry, you don't need to say that you lost the debate, you're actions already showed it. Hey, look at the bright side, you don't have to come up with bullshit evidence anymore. O0
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Again, how did I lose? You didn't explain. And how am I ignorant? Narrow truth vs. Not knowing truth is different. I am the Narrow Truth, like 2+2 will always be 4. That's narrow truth. Where's your evidence to prove that reincarnation is true?
Hahaha.
I was going to explain it, but you just demonstrated it for everybody to see by making your post. But, it's more than likely you won't see it, I'll try to explain it as simply as I can. Hopefully you won't resort to denial.
You are ignorant of your own argument, or perhaps you are simply using one of your usual tactic, gish gallop. It's not, Narrow Truth vs Not knowing the truth. There is no such thing as "narrow truth" in this argument. It is simply, Truth vs Not knowing the truth. 2+2 will always be 4, that's narrow truth. The argument, concerning reincarnation, is as follows..... Truth(what reincarnation is) vs Not knowing the truth(being ignorant about what reincarnation is).
So, to answer your question....
Again, how did I lose?
By not knowing what reincarnation really is, you lost before you even started the debate. So your, so-called " evidences" are nothing but bullshit.
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How is it bullshit evidence? Have you not read them? If you haven't, then you are the ignorant one. I am not. Reincarnation is unjust because it only diminishes the absolute of morality.
It's bullshit evidence because you are trying to use it to back up your claim, but the whole time, you were arguing about something that is not reincarnation. And I did read all of them. Apparently you haven't read any of mine since you have no clue to why you were refuted over and over again. This is why you kept on spitting out your bullshit, repeating the same thing again and again while not even trying to give a reason why it can be use to defend your argument. Even after I had confirmed it, you still refuse to do the work and go read it. Is your refusal to do work the result of your laziness? Or is it just willful ignorance?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIRE99FV_5Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIRE99FV_5Q)
Ravi Zecharias debates against the ideology of Buddhism...
This is the reason why you lack the understanding of particular topics being debated. You refuse to do the work of studying and researching for information(both for and against your argument) concerning the particular subject that is being discussed.
BTW, you posting up links to videos of debates isn't evidence. You have done this numerous times in the past whenever you are refuted by others and cannot defend your argument. Is it because you lack to understand what the particular subject being discussed is about? Perhaps you should do the work yourself so you won't be ignorant about the topic.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAOWBty-O7U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAOWBty-O7U)
I just destroyed reincarnation again and again. It diminishes absolute morality just like Shamanism.
So, how am I ignorant? Could you explain by quoting please?
Actually, you haven't destroyed reincarnation. In fact, you never gave any evidence at all.
And please, stop diverting attention to other topics. Keep it to the topic that is being discussed, in this case, it's reincarnation. Spitting out bullshit claims about a different topic doesn't make your argument any stronger than it was before, nor does it show your knowledge about this one. Claiming that you have debunk one religions/beliefs doesn't mean that you have debunk another one that is similar to it. It just shows that you are, gish galloping away from something you cannot defend.
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Where's your evidence to prove that reincarnation is true?
I guess when you get refuted again and again while being in denial of losing the debate, you use your usual last ditch tactic, which is trying to switch the burden of proof to the other person. Well, guess what, the burden of proof is still on you. Why? The answer is because you arrogantly posted this comment. Look below.
You have to repost it. This is my forum. And if you don't show your valid work by reposting again, I am sorry. Again, reincarnation diminishes morality.
Since you said that this is your forum, and you claimed that reincarnation isn't real, I'm still waiting on your proof. Remember, do some work before you decide to reply.
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So we are supposed to base morality on reincarnation. :D I guess single cell organisms may have more morality then.
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Cells don't have souls as according to what the bible says, animals don't have souls. We are the only ones that have souls because we can do a lot more shit than animals in this world. Animals weren't created in God's eyes, nor in His image. Animals are there to maintain the balance of the circle of life. We only govern the circle of life to which man failing to do so. Some men can govern, some just can't.
Cells don't have morality. They only follow the chemicals and nerves from the brain that demands them of what do to and not to do. They are programmed like robots without any conscience for themselves. Cells don't have conscience; humans do.
Don't you think, selective words from the Bible in itself is a fallacy?
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That's because you were going off topic. I want you to get back on topic. Buddhism isn't the same with Shamanism. Buddhism is atheism and how can Buddhism believe in Shamanism? That's why I put a red herring on you.
Looks like you are going in a non-ending cycle here, and flipping the script. Putting blame on someone else doesn't make your argument stronger. Just to show everyone what I mean......
Where did morality come from? We were talking about reincarnation that diminishes morality. Why do you ask about mine? That's relative? We are asking about Objective Morality vs. Subjective Morality on the basic principle of nature or God. According to the Christian Bible, here are the verses of what I am trying to prove:
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Moral-Absolutes/ (http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Moral-Absolutes/)
If Buddhism is true, then relativism is true. If relativism is true, then you have been brainwashed that 'murder is wrong.' You have been manipulated by the government and other people who tells you that murder is wrong when all truths are all relative. If all truth are all relative, then relativism as itself as a truth is relative, not objective. That's oxymoron...
One more thing...buddhi sm leads to materialism which it has been refuted by Christians like Frank Turek and Norman Geisler.
I could give you this:
http://www.impantokratoros.gr/dogma-reincarnation.en.aspx (http://www.impantokratoros.gr/dogma-reincarnation.en.aspx)
You can say kiss goodbye to materialism since it does sound a lot like reincarnation by studying the infinite regression.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gKDP6R0jqc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gKDP6R0jqc)
This is what happens to Buddhism since it branched off from Hinduism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWwxr9FfdWw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWwxr9FfdWw)
There's more, I just shorten the list.
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Do you mean how can we trust the bible? That would be a different topic. This forum is about Reincarnation. If you post a new forum about "Can we trust the bible," I would love to debate and talk with you about that.
Exactly, so stop using the bible as evidence to support your argument.
Cells don't have souls as according to what the bible says, animals don't have souls. We are the only ones that have souls because we can do a lot more shit than animals in this world. Animals weren't created in God's eyes, nor in His image. Animals are there to maintain the balance of the circle of life. We only govern the circle of life to which man failing to do so. Some men can govern, some just can't.
Cells don't have morality. They only follow the chemicals and nerves from the brain that demands them of what do to and not to do. They are programmed like robots without any conscience for themselves. Cells don't have conscience; humans do.
Some people....... You must wonder if they are intentionally doing it or if they just don't see that they are doing it.
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My proof is by memory. If you cannot remember your past, then reincarnation isn't true. Simple as that. If you cannot remember your infinite past, then I am sorry, you're believing in something delusional. Moreover, speaking about infinity, that's a regression. You cannot have infinity of you because that wouldn't make sense. It's like what I said earlier, "Infinite regression is illogical." Why is that? It's because it destroys "The beginning of you." Every story/book requires a beginning. I have never seen a book that has no beginning or ending. Have you? I can test this right now that all books have a front cover, a beginning page, and an ending page. That's scientific. If all things have a beginning and an ending, then your infinite regression isn't true. If infinite regression isn't true, then reincarnation isn't true because there's an infinite regression. It wouldn't make sense mathematically . 3 divided by zero is illogical. You can't divide anything under zero. Infinity doesn't exist in the world of time. It only exists outside of time that is metaphysical rather than physical itself. Therefore, this is my evidence of logic and math to you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmhx0MiUgYs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmhx0MiUgYs)
I could use your soul for reincarnation as an example from this youtube video. Do still not get my evidence? If you have an infinite regression, does that mean you truly exist? This is why reincarnation is stupid because having a regression like the youtube video like this one, proves that you don't exist. Anything that leads to infinity for a physical person means you don't exist. It's either you pick you have a beginning and you existed, or you were eternally there and never been caused.
REINCARNATION IS DESTROYED! :notworthy:
Your memory argument have been refuted earlier. So stop reusing the same argument by just rewording.
TheAfterLife,
After all that gish galloping of yours, I'm still waiting on your proof. So until then.....
BTW, infinity is not a number, so your math argument also failed.
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Do you mean how can we trust the bible? That would be a different topic. This forum is about Reincarnation. If you post a new forum about "Can we trust the bible," I would love to debate and talk with you about that.
Just that one can use the bible to con people. Reincarnation - well not sure how that can be used to con people.
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The irony. :2funny:
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So the morality of this is, it does not matter
Perps can infiltrate any beliefs.