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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Hung_Low on March 23, 2020, 06:31:33 PM
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Two stimulus packages aimed at helping those that are suffering because of the COVID-19 have been shot down by the Dems.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/dem-senator-breaks-party-coronavirus-185623014.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/dem-senator-breaks-party-coronavirus-185623014.html)
It's so bad that even one of their own is embarrassed about it.
The reason for their votes against it?
Negotiations between congressional Republicans and Democrats have stalled as Democrats introduced several demands for additions to any coronavirus aid package. Those demands reportedly included “increased fuel emissions standards for airlines” as well as an “expansion of wind and solar tax credits.”
The legislative demands came after House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D., S.C.) told House Democrats on Thursday that the coronavirus stimulus represented “a tremendous opportunity to restructure things to fit our vision.”
What does fuel emissions, expansion of tax credits to wind and solar energy, student loan forgiveness, etc. have to do with this pandemic?
A separate House proposal introduced by Pelosi:
The Democrats' latest draft obtained by NPR, which is more than 1,400 pages long, would prevent corporations from using taxpayer money for stock buybacks, boost unemployment insurance, strengthen the child and earned income tax credits and inject nearly $40 billion into schools and universities to stabilize funding. It also directs billions of dollars in grant funding for states to carry out this year's election through the Election Assistance Commission. - NPR
Again, what does college tuition, earned income credits and the elections have to do with the virus? Note: maybe Pelosi will again tell Congress to just vote for it and find out what's in it like she did with Obamacare.
To me, it looks like the Dems are using this crisis to push their policies.
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Reporter, I was thinking that this stimulus package was the Republican Party’s strategy of putting Trump back in the White House again in 2020?
I mean this is a package that if anything it’s something like what the Democratic Party would come up with and approve by the American people that votes Democrats. Because something like this stimulus package would be perceived as socialism to the Republican Party and the morons who supports Trumps.
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hung low
begging for government welfare handout
too funny man
this brother was making fun of bernie a few months ago
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Most of the $$ goes to the 1%. Some of us don’t know numbers and policies. What happen to the free market the conservatives preached about? What happen to competition? Oh when the going gets tough the conservatives will bailout anyone. Where is your bailout? I don’t see these policies making you richer? Oh wait your 401k that all of you use to y’all about it. It’s decimated by pump and dump by Trump share buyback programs.
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i would have gotten my bailout money, had it not been for these democrats! :2funny: :knuppel2:
The DEMS are trying to even the playing field for the working class and the conservatives are like give me my $1k versus the 100k you could be getting over your lifetime. Instant gratification. How stupid. Btw, the 1% get 0% interest rate for billions, and they get free $$. Do you get 0% interest on your mortgage or car loans or student loans?
Conservatives are so dumb.
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Most of the $$ goes to the 1%. Some of us don’t know numbers and policies. What happen to the free market the conservatives preached about? What happen to competition? Oh when the going gets tough the conservatives will bailout anyone. Where is your bailout? I don’t see these policies making you richer? Oh wait your 401k that all of you use to y’all about it. It’s decimated by pump and dump by Trump share buyback programs.
I don’t really know what the stimulus plan was all about and I’m not going to pretend like I do. But I have this feeling that if it were to pass the people (which means most of us) that really needed the money will get very little...and those that does not need it, and should even be making charity money contributions themselves, will get a very big piece of the pie.
If Trump and his cronies are involved in a stimulus plan, one has got to be very suspicious.
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Of course. Notice they aren't proposing it to go for long-term. Just getting the votes first.
Reporter, I was thinking that this stimulus package was the Republican Party’s strategy of putting Trump back in the White House again in 2020?
I mean this is a package that if anything it’s something like what the Democratic Party would come up with and approve by the American people that votes Democrats. Because something like this stimulus package would be perceived as socialism to the Republican Party and the morons who supports Trumps.
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I don’t really know what the stimulus plan was all about and I’m not going to pretend like I do. But I have this feeling that if it were to pass the people (which means most of us) that really needed the money will get very little...and those that does not need it, and should even be making charity money contributions themselves, will get a very big piece of the pie.
If Trump and his cronies are involved in a stimulus plan, one has got to be very suspicious.
$2T stimulus. 1T to the people. 500B to corporations as loan guarantees. 400B to small business as loans guarantee. 100B to hospital and other interest.
If you do the math by proportion. 99% get 50% and 1% get 50%. That’s why these deal sucks.
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$2T stimulus. 1T to the people. 500B to corporations as loan guarantees. 400B to small business as loans guarantee. 100B to hospital and other interest.
If you do the math by proportion. 99% get 50% and 1% get 50%. That’s why these deal sucks.
Damn dude
U giving the people too much $$$
Let me break some math for u
$2400 (2 checks) x 175,000,000 (adult half the population)=$420 billions
$1000 (2 check) x 175,000,00 (kids)= $175 billions
$420+175= $595 billions for the people
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Reporter, I was thinking that this stimulus package was the Republican Party’s strategy of putting Trump back in the White House again in 2020?
I mean this is a package that if anything it’s something like what the Democratic Party would come up with and approve by the American people that votes Democrats. Because something like this stimulus package would be perceived as socialism to the Republican Party and the morons who supports Trumps.
This is why Trump is winning and the Dems are losing. They pulled this sh.it hoping that Trump wouldn't offer a stimulus package due to his conservative party's views. AND YES, we Conservatives do view this as Socialism. We don't blame Trump, however. We blame the Dems for pulling this sh.it. But we understand Trump doing this as a power move, while at the same time helping Americans.
I don't remember what movie it was where the bad guy was holding the phaj ej's partner hostage. The phaj ej called the villain's bluff by shooting his partner in the leg. He was no longer a good hostage for the villain.
Don't mess with Trump. Dems didn't think he would give a stimulus package. They were hoping he'd let the people go without so they'd be mad at Trump. WRONG!
BUT REMEMBER that those who hurt the most from this b.s shut down hoax tend to be Democrat voters. Democrats were willing to sacrifice their own voters!!!!!
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The DEMS are trying to even the playing field for the working class and the conservatives are like give me my $1k versus the 100k you could be getting over your lifetime. Instant gratification. How stupid. Btw, the 1% get 0% interest rate for billions, and they get free $$. Do you get 0% interest on your mortgage or car loans or student loans?
Conservatives are so dumb.
I wanted to make a point that buying a car now has a 0% interest on the loan. I used to sell cars for a living while in college and I can tell people why 0% interest in 84 months is not that all great of a deal in retrospect. Then you got people taking this deal and they say they will pay that off before the 84th month. 0% interest man.. why you wanna pay it off early for? Then you got people paying full pop for the car in cash. Cot dayam people needs a better financial advisor.
(https://i.imgur.com/CLCcC99.jpg)
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I know a friend who got no where to go when she had to be tested for wuhan nasty. She trained the guy like 3 weeks prior but he had it so she and a whole bunch of people had to self isolate and because she has no place to isolate, she rented a hotel. 5 days to wait for results. Few days after that just to make sure. You do the math. How much does that cost? Oh and ordering from grubhub and door dash for all them days too. Her credit card probably maxed out.
My stimulus check, I'm giving it to her to help support. I think it is prorated cuz the threshold is like $75K.
so I'm not getting my whole check but half be good.
O0
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hung low
begging for government welfare handout
too funny man
this brother was making fun of bernie a few months ago
That's right, Repubs want to give businesses $1.8T as long as they get a small hand out of $1K as part of the deal. Trump supporters are drooling over it but just a month ago they all claimed it would be socialism to give $1K to every adult in the US when Andrew Yang suggested it.
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The notion that PEOPLE/SERFS are STUPID and LAZY and somehow need the ENLIGHTEN ARISTOCRAT/MONARCHY dates back to the MEDIEVAL PERIOD. This notion survived through modern time through an outdated form of scientific management called TAYLORISM. In TAYLORISM, workers are STUPID and LAZY like a MULE. They need to be coaxed with a carrot ($$) to work, and they need to be coax with a stick (punishment) to work harder. In fact, in the late 20th century the 20th century greatest CEO was JACK WELCH of GE. He created this model called RANK and YANK that was ultimately based upon TAYLORISM. Today, in the field of management theory, we don't call it Taylorism anymore, we call it Management X or Y theory. In management X theory, the leader takes a negative view of the workforce. In management Y theory, the leader takes on an optimistic SERVANT LEADERSHIP role. What we've found in organizational theory is that Theory Y is SUPERIOR to Theory X. Why is that? First and foremost, having Y brains is better than 1 brain (manager). In addition, the ARISTOCRATS/MONARCHY rarely INNOVATE. It is mostly the "stupid/lazy" people/serf who create all the innovation that benefits everyone. In the 21st century, if you lead with Theory X, your organization will fail guarantee. China leads with Theory X. The US has shifted to Theory Y more and more, but there are still PLENTY of uneducated and ignorant people who adopt an outdated notion of value, work, and innovation. WE DO NOT NEED A GOVERNMENT, THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS US. WE DO NOT NEED THE 1%, THE 1% NEEDS US.
Btw, Trump leads with Theory X. It's time some of you people update your management theory. For you religious conservative people, guess what style Jesus used?
if you do the math...give all $2trillion to the people and when we're out of this coronavirus issue, there would be no jobs lefts. the general people will become lazy and not expect but demand for more government assistance...w ho's gonna wanna go to work and for those that do...where? the basic idea of this stimulus plan is not for long term purpose but to help those in need, now. saving america companies and business is a priority, since they are the backbone of the economy, they do most if not all of the hiring (aside from governmental jobs).
i like to say, those who don't appreciate Trump, should deny acceptance of this stimulus fund.
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More like what you gonna do with your stimulus check?
I got people telling me that they will buy more guns.
I got people saying they will by more toilet paper.
I got people saying they will hide it under their mattress.
I'm giving mine away since I can't use it for anything essential. Non essentials are more fun to use your free money on but those are all closed down. Got money but can't spend it. I'll be rich this year. :2funny:
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Again, you have absolutely no clue about what you are talking about. Like I’m serious, you have no FU.CKING clue. What is government corporate subsidies? Welfare! What is government corporate bailout? Welfare! What is zero interest rate policy (ZIRP) by the Fed? Welfare! What is the Fed unlimited bond buying? Welfare!
All along the corporations are getting welfare, the government chooses winners and losers and we have a lagging country. Why is that? Corporate Welfare! The 1% are on Welfare and they do nothing but control the money. The 99% can barely survive and so our nations innovation have gone down the drain because the 1% does not innovate and create new value. The 99% are the innovators! You and I who work innovate and create value at a significant discount because it’s harder and harder today to be an entrepreneur. That is the design as described by Marx.
The notion people are lazy is also rooted in RACISM too! In the imperialistic time, the white man use to think everybody else needed their white savior because they were all savages. To their own, the white aristocracy thought the 99% were lazy and dumb!
You my friend have drank the kool-aid so hard, you cannot tell truth from fiction! I’m not talking about socialism. I am talking about better level of shares equity in success so the country innovation system improves for all. Yes, I know the oppressive USSR regime and how their communism didn’t work because again it was Theory X. Do the job or I kill you.
Do my argument is not socialism it is how we view and treat people with honor and dignity, and how we empower people to self actualize to their highest potential! The deepest sadness I see is when a person could have been great but the system oppresses they person to be less.
I’ve been studying Systems for 20 years. I started with computer operating systems then management system and now incorporating people and machine via cybernetics. It is my greatest passion to unleash potential. What you describe diminishes people’s true potential. I use to subscribe to that idea years ago. I changed when I got an education and saw the actual research. People by nature will create because we are curious about our environment. It is why the world is on the fastest trajectory of change and transformation . It’s not the wealthy people who are creating all this new wealth. It’s people like you and I. They are losing control. When block chain is adopted the Fed could be obsolete. Do you know the Fed (federal reserve) is the most powerful private entity composed of powerful banker and elites. This is where our government go beg for $$.
X=amount of money guaranteed by the government
Y=you
Z=laZy
the theory is if YOU, get X, a substantial amount of money from the government regularly, You will become laZy, being dependent of the government assistance.
X + Y = laZy
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BTW, we wouldn't need a stimulus package if we'd only acknowledge this was a Pandemic and took precautions early on. I mean, Trump said he knew it was a pandemic before anyone else knew it was a pandemic so why didn't he do anything? Just sat on that info, huh.
Here's him saying it too:
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/488031-trump-says-he-knew-coronavirus-was-a-pandemic-long-before-it-was
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Monk
You going sign that ANDREW YANG $1k Trump tax over to me or what??
You were bashing hard on that $1k universe basic income
Government welfare
Go against your beliefs system
I WILL GLADLY take THAT GOVERNMENT WELFARE CHECK OFF YOUR HAND
Don’t want to burden your beliefs system
Hahahah
O0
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if the democrats did not distract the country and the trump administration with their russian hoax and stupid impeachment process...we would have been well prepared. Even with the set back, Trump's approval rate is overwhelmingly high of how he handled this crisis.
:2funny: :2funny: :2funny: right. Meanwhile, our great president is ordering that recordings of his false statements about this pandemic being a Democrat hoax be removed. Republican logic: if you remove the record, it will be as if it never happened. He can deny it and without proof, his cult will believe him too.
Here, read the article for yourself:
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-campaign-remove-video-saying-coronavirus-hoax-2020-3?utm_source=reddit.com&fbclid=IwAR0eWAn3BKwvnbdyY_xxVBfr6DnHGNu9uTU5uczMbrRkN0-v7HiZEcxJ9lc (https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-campaign-remove-video-saying-coronavirus-hoax-2020-3?utm_source=reddit.com&fbclid=IwAR0eWAn3BKwvnbdyY_xxVBfr6DnHGNu9uTU5uczMbrRkN0-v7HiZEcxJ9lc)
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there's a difference between the stimulus fund and Andrew's $1k for everyone...don't mistake that you will be getting $1200 for the rest of your life. I've receive hardship with this CV shutdown, I've lost over half of my clients, not to mention the people, I employed, that they let go...I'm the 1 percenter that needs that money more than you. :2funny: :2funny:
so you going sign the check over or what?
my name is THAO
that ANDREW YANG $1k SOCIALISM !!!!
goes up against all your beliefs
i have no shame
i will glady take that burden offf your chest
lol
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More cliche! We know for a fact that common sense is NOT common because we each arrive at our conclusion based upon life experience and thinking. Just examine how different our viewpoints are. You think you are stupid and lazy needing a carrot and stick and this goes for your family too. How unsensible is that! :idiot2: I think I'm amazing and people around me are amazing and full of potential. Give me a dollar, I'll give you 2 back!
LOL...wiseman said, one does not need high education to solve the problems of common sense. be glad trump is sending you some money!
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Don't drink the kool-aid the powerful have oppressed into us. People are amazing and full of potential.
The greatness of a man is not in how much wealth he acquires, but in his integrity and his ability to affect those around him positively.
Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great.
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More cliche! We know for a fact that common sense is NOT common because we each arrive at our conclusion based upon life experience and thinking. Just examine how different our viewpoints are. You think you are stupid and lazy needing a carrot and stick and this goes for your family too. How unsensible is that! :idiot2: I think I'm amazing and people around me are amazing and full of potential. Give me a dollar, I'll give you 2 back!
Tim Cook, CEO of apple
Shameful take your $50 billion government welfare check
Oh the shame and humiliation
He lost face
As he walks out the door, he smile back at you
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1194113737092935681/63O1znGw.jpg)
The moral of the story: no need to lose face/shameful.
Eat that $1k, becuz tim cook ain’t shameful
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sorry, cliche is your lazy defense of the democrats stalling our stimulus fund, averting the subject matter by interjecting your theory x of relativity, sign cosign to the infinitive number when i solved it in 3 letters.
regardless of your political views, this is not the time to be partisan, especially our legislative group (law makers, senators/congressmen)...stop the nonsense of putting a "wish list" that is totally unrelated to this emergency. stop with the delay, when hmgrock is in dire need of this money. :2funny: :2funny:
I thought you guys hated government welfare handout???
Need to stick to your beliefs
Bunch of hypocrites
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sorry, cliche is your lazy defense of the democrats stalling our stimulus fund, averting the subject matter by interjecting your theory x of relativity, sign cosign to the infinitive number when i solved it in 3 letters.
regardless of your political views, this is not the time to be partisan, especially our legislative group (law makers, senators/congressmen)...stop the nonsense of putting a "wish list" that is totally unrelated to this emergency. stop with the delay, when hmgrock is in dire need of this money. :2funny: :2funny:
It's too hilarious. Conservatives say need small government. No bail, more bailout. Free market capitalism. Competition! Then when an emergency hits, let's do TARP and let's do 2T stimulus. Let's blame the other party. Honestly, I don't give a flying rats ass about either party because they cannot even figure out their philosophy and value. Do people matter? Yes, no, maybe so.
Like a sheep, both sides of the aisle listen to the aristocrats and believe what they say. No critical thinking. The people need a bailout, and oh btw, give me half of it, and give them half. It's the 1% who wants a bailout and then have the 99% carry the weight. People like you don't understand why the DFL is fighting to make it FAIR. If we talk fair to you, then you say, people are stupid and lazy. LOL! Then I use research and science to talk to a conservative and they say, it's irrelevant. Sound a lot like Trump ignoring WHO and CDC. Look what happened? A total mess. Great going!
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It's too hilarious. Conservatives say need small government. No bail, more bailout. Free market capitalism. Competition! Then when an emergency hits, let's do TARP and let's do 2T stimulus. Let's blame the other party. Honestly, I don't give a flying rats ass about either party because they cannot even figure out their philosophy and value. Do people matter? Yes, no, maybe so.
Like a sheep, both sides of the aisle listen to the aristocrats and believe what they say. No critical thinking. The people need a bailout, and oh btw, give me half of it, and give them half. It's the 1% who wants a bailout and then have the 99% carry the weight. People like you don't understand why the DFL is fighting to make it FAIR. If we talk fair to you, then you say, people are stupid and lazy. LOL! Then I use research and science to talk to a conservative and they say, it's irrelevant. Sound a lot like Trump ignoring WHO and CDC. Look what happened? A total mess. Great going!
Really well said
You gotta take the good and bads
Can’t just pick a side
For example i do agree with the GOP ban on LATE TERM ABORTION
woman who abort at week 30-40 week
Like goddamn woman
Take you that long to decide ???
At this stage the baby is fully form and just need to come out of the pussy
Thats a no no for me
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but this isn't a your regular handout like how you thinks its going to be permanent. this is a circumstantial fund, in time of a crisis.
this has nothing to do with the andrew yang's 1k platform he ran on, again...it's not YOUR regular welfare check YOU get every month...get your mind right
not trying to call you out, there's no shame in getting government assistance, my mom received it and still does...it included me in the past...but i moved on from it. there's nothing hypocritical except for one who's still milking the government. :2funny: :2funny:
lol
Government handout is government handout.... period
Who cares if you lose your job, amazon is hiring 100k worker
Go do some cashier at the grocery
Cmon now
Stick to your conservative beliefs and stop being a two face hypocrite
Obama did the same thing back in 2008
And you call him out
I need you to call trump out too
ME, IM SHAMELESS
I WILL GLADLY TAKE THAT $1.2k OFF YOU
So is TIM COOK, ceo of apple