one case could be -hau ntshav tes
another case could be-the one that's been deceased kept taking the wise ones with them one after another because of the past problems one of the family member have cause whether it's npav dej npav taws ua dej dab haus, npav ntuj npav teb for some small issues between family and other people around the community in the village, ua tub sab tub nyiag and they got murder or they murder someone...coj mus hais plaub, is what elders have said..because everytime you see some who is smart and wise , they don't live long..