more like you guys need to come here and make it more intresting to the rookies here. rick, i learned alot from just having a few conversation with you and danny, even though it was not much, from seeing you guys just a couple time i realize how you guys say and explain things about fishing, i take it in and put it to a test and make it a notch better. you guys are the team to beat in the hmong community right now as far as i know. ... dont get me wrong, everyone is good, but practice is key and knowing your electronics is an advantage. thanks to advices and talks to you bros made me a differemt fishermen. i will be there oneday to challange the hmong kvds.