DC vs. Marvel

[bulbasaur]

1.  I am not really sure which company is "more successful."  DC has been in print longer than Marvel.  However, Marvel may be financially worth more right now. Marvel may have more of the print market right now too.  That being said, I don't really care who is more successful.  I wish that they are both successful because that is just more for me to enjoy. 

2.  As far as the success of storytelling, that is subjective.  I like both, but I understand if people like one over the other. 

3. As for who has the more powerful characters...i t doesn't matter.  If we continue down this route, the argument gets really stupid.  We'll end up at Death, but both companies have their versions of Death.  So, which Death is more powerful?  Or, Marvel even met God, who was in the form of Jack Kirby.  DC has God and Jesus, too.  Now it becomes some comic book religious debate.  DC's God and Jesus vs. Jack Kirby.  We might as well sit here and argue Christianity vs. Buddhism. 

Are you talking sheer power or are you talking about stories/characters/development? Marvel is way more successful than DC these days.

If you're talking Cosmic beings Marvel has a lot of very powerful ones like Galactus, Thanos, Apocalypse, Silver Surfer, Beyonder, Captain Marvel, Death...to name a few. There are more but they're not as well known as the DC ones.

DC has only a handful of characters I actually like or care about, Marvel has way more. However Batman will probably be one of my fav all time characters.

[thenewbguy]

1.  I am not really sure which company is "more successful."  DC has been in print longer than Marvel.  However, Marvel may be financially worth more right now. Marvel may have more of the print market right now too.  That being said, I don't really care who is more successful.  I wish that they are both successful because that is just more for me to enjoy. 

2.  As far as the success of storytelling, that is subjective.  I like both, but I understand if people like one over the other. 

3. As for who has the more powerful characters...i t doesn't matter.  If we continue down this route, the argument gets really stupid.  We'll end up at Death, but both companies have their versions of Death.  So, which Death is more powerful?  Or, Marvel even met God, who was in the form of Jack Kirby.  DC has God and Jesus, too.  Now it becomes some comic book religious debate.  DC's God and Jesus vs. Jack Kirby.  We might as well sit here and argue Christianity vs. Buddhism.

Yeah it is a highly subjective question for sure. I do think Marvel is worth way more than DC at this point though.

I actually didn't really get into Marvel or DC too much when I was younger though. I preferred Image, Valiant and Darkhorse comics because they were edgier.

[bulbasaur]

BTW, Superman does kill.  He is just reluctant to.  Batman has a much stricter code.  That is kinda the fun dynamic between the two.  Superman killed Doomsday. Superman has killed Brainiac.  And even though people were really upset at MoS for letting Superman kill Zod, it wasn't even the first time Superman killed Zod.  Superman killed Zod in the comics.  Superman even killed Zod in the old Christopher Reeves movies. 

[thenewbguy]

BTW, Superman does kill.  He is just reluctant to.  Batman has a much stricter code.  That is kinda the fun dynamic between the two.  Superman killed Doomsday. Superman has killed Brainiac.  And even though people were really upset at MoS for letting Superman kill Zod, it wasn't even the first time Superman killed Zod.  Superman killed Zod in the comics.  Superman even killed Zod in the old Christopher Reeves movies.

What? As I recall in the Reeve's Superman movies he banished Zod in the mirror to some other dimension or something.

I guess it's been a while since I've read a Superman comic, to be honest I didn't read his comic too often. I was more interested in Batman and darker, grittier comics from other companies.

The last time I read Superman was when I was 10 and he was just killed by Doomsday. I bought one of those issues and had it sealed in the bag for ages.

[bulbasaur]

In Superman 2, Superman gets re-powered in the chamber.  He steps out.  He crushes Zod's hand. Then he throws him down a pit.  Zod never comes back.  At this point, Superman could have easily just taken them to jail since they didn't have powers anymore, but he chose to kill them.  At least in MoS, Zod had powers and was in the process of killing innocent people.  Of course, we could argue that MoS Superman could have just flew up, or covered Zod's eyes, or a number of other things besides breaking Zod's neck.  Here is the clip of Superman killing Zod from Superman 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUORL-bvwA0

Heck, he might have killed Lex Luthor in that movie too.  He just left him at the North Pole.  Of course, we could assume that maybe Zod and friends and Luthor lived because Superman went back to save them.  But Zod and friends did fall in that creepy pit.  We could argue that the pit was just 3 feet deep and they weren't hurt, but we never see that. 

There is a version of the film where Zod and company are escorted by some police force, but that doesn't seem to be the final cut.  This could be an argument of canon.  In any case, Superman does kill.  Here is the end of his fight with Doomsday. 

What? As I recall in the Reeve's Superman movies he banished Zod in the mirror to some other dimension or something.

I guess it's been a while since I've read a Superman comic, to be honest I didn't read his comic too often. I was more interested in Batman and darker, grittier comics from other companies.

The last time I read Superman was when I was 10 and he was just killed by Doomsday. I bought one of those issues and had it sealed in the bag for ages.

[chidorix0x]

... kekeke  ... 

Sups is/was a cold hearted killer before he took up the red, white, and blue banter starting around the 70s. This is clearly evident in his earlier comics per antics, beatings, and laissez faire handling of criminals/powerless humans ... KEKEKE ... 

Bats, arguably a sadistic psycho, doesn't kill because he revels/ejaculates in pleasure breaking bones, blooding/bruising faces/noses, and hearing grown men squeal as he hangs them over a 50-story ledge in ecstasy ... KEKEKE ... 

[dogmai]

In the Reeves movies, superman killed all his enemies except for Lex Luthor.

Let's not forget that the early comics of batman, he did carry a gun.

[dogmai]

Are you sure it's not a non-lethal gun?  It may be like kevlar bullets, stun darts. lmao

I don't think he would be using kevlar bullets with that gun.

[bulbasaur]

It is not really fair to hold those old comics as canon anymore, especially when it comes to DC and Marvel who continually retcon everything. 

For Batman, they didn't even think of an origin until after they started printing.  The idea of not killing and not using guns probably has more to do with the creators not wanting to kill off their good ideas for bad guys.  Looking back, it worked because Batman has arguably the best rogues gallery.  Which brings the a fun argument: Who has the best rouges gallery?

[bulbasaur]

Best rouges gallery contenders off the top of my head...

Spidey
X-Men
Superman (kinda)
Fantastic Four
Flash
Daredevil


I am probably missing some, but I think Batman, Spidey, and X-Men are up on the top.  Superman would be up there, but there hasn't been a good Superman story for a while, so he kinda has fallen off a bit.  The same goes for Fantastic Four. 

[bulbasaur]

Smartest Person Challenge.

Who is the smartest person in each universe?  And how do they match up?  Does Forge really count since his "intelligence" is a power? 

Off the top of my head...

Marvel's Big 4: Richards, Stark, Banner, Pym.  Doom.  I suppose Beast.  Forge. Sinister. 

DC sports Batman, Luthor, Mr. Terrific.  Cyborg seems to be moving on up.  Maybe Riddler.  The Atom.  Toyman. 

[bulbasaur]

The more I think about it, I am going with Reed Richards as the smartest, but he is also one of the least accomplished since he doesn't focus on any one thing.  Thus, that brings him down.  For DC, I feel it is a tie between Mr. Terrific and Luthor.  Batman can probably be as good as either of them, but he is focused on other things. 

[bulbasaur]

Marvel Cinematic vs. Sony Marvel Cinematic

It's not even close after the Fan4stic movie. 

[bulbasaur]

I am not sure if X1 and X2 still holds up, but they might be as good as the Thor movies.  Maybe Avengers 2?  Maybe the Cap movies?  I really enjoyed Guardians and Avengers 1. 

Unlike most, I didn't like First Class as much as others.  It was good, but I don't feel it's at the top of best comic book movie. 

Blade needs to be introduced into the MCU.  That would be so much fun.  This would be such a great way to introduce zombies and such.  Plus, it would be fun to see Blade's serious personality clash with the Avengers. 

[Hung_Low]

So why ignore the most cosmic beings?  Because the argument becomes stupid. 

Galactus eats worlds.  He can eat an infinite amount of Earths and create a big crisis for DC.  However, Superman can just go around punching Earths 1-616, and Galactus would starve.  But then, everyone dies.  So Death from DC wins.  But then we Marvel's Death too!  Now it is Death vs. Death.  And so on and so on....

All Galctus has to do is force Superman from yellow sun and light gravity... he's done.