Guns don't kill people, people kill people....

[bulbasaur]

It's a catchy argument, but it actually has a lot of problems. 

1.  Using this argument, we shouldn't ban anything because it's a "people problem" and not the product.  Yet, we have bans and restrictions on tons of products.  We have government agencies dedicated to the regulation of food, medicine, tobacco, etc. 

2.  We already ban certain types of guns/weapons because they are "too dangerous."  Heck, just the mere act of bomb making is illegal. 

3.  This argument is really a side argument; it's a classic straw man.  Instead of debating on whether certain laws should be passed, this argument wants to focus on the murderers/crimes.  Notice that when this argument comes up, they abandon all reference to the actual issue.  The two are actually two different issues.  Or, think about it like cars.  Cars don't kill people, people kill people.    But, that doesn't mean we shouldn't have regulations on drivers nor have traffic laws. 

4.  People of this argument often like to say, "Any new laws only keeps guns away from law abiding citizens."  Well, we all know that isn't true.  See Orlando.   Plus, using this argument, then we shouldn't have any laws. 

More as they come.   

[bulbasaur]

5. They gonna take my guns!  No.  We just don't want you to bring your guns to Chipotle.  Is that too much to ask?  For some people, apparently yes.  But for some reason, we can ban smoking, but not guns?  Where's the logic? 

[YAX]

People kill people with guns.

[bulbasaur]

6. People load the guns.  People pull the triggers.

This is just as absurd as the other arguments presented. That has nothing to do whether or not we should have better gun regulations.  The mofo in Orlando should have never gotten his hands on a gun.  People sold him the gun.

People loaded the guns.  People pulled the triggers.  People can stop crazy people from getting their hands on guns.  So even using your own damn logic, you're still wrong.  If you believe that it is a problem about people and not guns, then let's pass laws making people more responsible for the selling and trading of guns. 

[bulbasaur]

7.  But but, people are dangerous.  It's their fault and not the guns.

Then why aren't guns sold in the toy section?  Why are guns and bullets sold behind the counter? 

Bottom line: Guns are not toys.  Guns can be dangerous. 

It only makes sense to have regulations on things that can be dangerous.  A car can be dangerous, so we have regulations on that.  A rig can be more dangerous, so there are more regulations to drive that.  A plane can be even more dangerous, so we have more regulations on that.  The same thing with guns and anything that can be used as a weapon.  The more danger it can possibly present, then the more regulations.  It makes sense.  You don't say, "I can drive a Honda, so I should be able to drive an airplane."  That's just crazy talk, and that is the talk that some people are trying to argue. 

[duckwingduck]

Yeah.  Like remove speed limit on the roads.  Remove all the traffic light and stop signs.  Remove ban on drunk driving.  And see if car will kill more people. 

[bulbasaur]

8.  But but, if everyone had a gun, they would be safer.  Then, when they get approached by someone with a gun, they can fight back.

This is just crazy talk.  Does it even need to be refuted?   

[duckwingduck]

8.  But but, if everyone had a gun, they would be safer.  Then, when they get approached by someone with a gun, they can fight back.

This is just crazy talk.  Does it even need to be refuted?   

If only everyone owns a big SUV and drive faster we won't have any car accident.  We don't need laws.  We need bigger SUV and faster cars so we can avoid accidents.

[DuMa]

No it is the ammunition that kills.  You can buy as many guns as you like but im the one selling you the bullet. Who owns you now?  Here goes 2 bullets for your 50 guns.  Have fun and don't go waste it all in one sitting now.   

[Visualmon]

1. people create weapons while guns get used by people to kill people
2. people won't deny to accept that guns kill people because it's immoral to do yet they still keep as protection (referring to police force)

[bulbasaur]

9. But but, if guns kill, then all those convicts who used guns would go free...

Really?  Is this what you really want to argue?  Not only are you obsessed with semantics, you are confused by it.  The worst part, it doesn't even help in resolving on the gun issue. 

[YAX]

Reality: people make guns to use to kill other people.

people can kill without guns, but it's alot harder to do and riskier.

[YAX]

what is the point of this thread?

some people are stupid?

[bulbasaur]

What's your point?   

what is the point of this thread?

[bulbasaur]

*yawns* 

"Break it down?"  Refer back to #1, #2, and #3. 

i'm going to break it down...Death of a person by gun.  The actual death of a person wounded by a bullet/ammunition shot from a gun which it's trigger was pulled by another person, who had the intent caused by a motivation, is actually the excessive bleeding (the body's inability to circulate the blood).  so gun's don't kill people, nor does people kill people...it's the motivation that killed a person.