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..back in the 80s:

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Why Ayam Cemani Chickens Are So Expensive | So Expensive | Insider Business

Not only is it the most expensive, but it also possesses exceptional qualities that make it truly unique. The Ayam Cemani is highly valued due to a rare condition called fibromelanosis, which causes an excess of dark pigment. This results in the chicken's meat, feathers, and even bones appearing entirely black.

...It can cost up to $6000 a chicken and its' eggs can cost $16 each...








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Have heard of some Hmong folks paying $1k or more for their Thai chicken during that era... :o



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Lets put that in perspective, a Hmong bride's average price was around $1,000 at that time...And on top of the bride price, you may have to do this too in order to close the deal without getting fined.. :o  ;D:



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Well, this Thai rooster was sold for 1 million Baht a few years ago  ???:

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CHIANG MAI - A 16-month-old fighting cock with a record of three straight victories has been sold for one million baht. Cockfighting enthusiasts on Wednesday flocked to Sum-an fighting cock farm in Saraphi...

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I had dark meat rooster before.  It was a specialty buy at the open food flea market that you've been to like the one under the highway of downtown stockton.  I don't think the seller realized how valuable these dark skinned critters are worth.  My dog one morning stared down my flower bush and he froze there.  Upon inspection, it was a white looking chicken.  I caught it and clipped the wings so it can't fly and let my dog played with it in the backyard.  This chicken ate my dog's dog food from his bowl.  They lived happily together like that until one day, my dad slaughtered it for a holiday dish.  The meat was blue I kid you not.  I did not eat it because it ate dog food.   :2funny:

Oh and the best rooster to fight are them japanese kind called the shamu.  Tall boxer like a ga noi of vietnam or them thai fighters.   

A breeder here in the bay area has them and he loaned his friend from the LA area his rooster and it won a single fight for $40K.  This guy then drove the rooster back to my friend's place and gave him $5K cash.  The secret he told me, I shall not reveal it but it made sense though.  I mean it is so common sense but to me, it's cheating unless you get caught.  Simple trick but I'm not telling out of respect for my buddy.   O0



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there's a darkside to being a chicken hobbyist. you can get really attached to them and lose touch of reality. I warned some people to not get their kids involve and to find other hobbies..like fixing on cars, modifiying cars, or video games even..the other darkside is the overpricing of chickens. most fighting roosters are not worth several thousands..lol s In thailand, the wealthy are really into cockfighting alongside the proverty stricken..the performance of these birds are not worth in the millions..its just probably a slightly above average ordinaray good fighter, but the bets are high because the owneers have that kind of money...once it wins that much, it's value that much, when in reality, you could probably find a 100 dollar rooster and it will kick the brains out of that 1k rooster...lols I've seen it happen all the time back in the 90's when I was heavily into the now "illegal"..lols sport...lols

these all black chickens is really just a ploy for people to make some quick few hundred or thousand. in reality they are only worth maybe 20-30 bucks..haha besides blue/black meat chickens have less fat, and their flesh gives off a very bland texture..lols the old Hmong folks like that kind of texture though. They're used to eating bland food all their life, so bland to them is delicious. haha



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I had dark meat rooster before.  It was a specialty buy at the open food flea market that you've been to like the one under the highway of downtown stockton.  I don't think the seller realized how valuable these dark skinned critters are worth.  My dog one morning stared down my flower bush and he froze there.  Upon inspection, it was a white looking chicken.  I caught it and clipped the wings so it can't fly and let my dog played with it in the backyard.  This chicken ate my dog's dog food from his bowl.  They lived happily together like that until one day, my dad slaughtered it for a holiday dish.  The meat was blue I kid you not.  I did not eat it because it ate dog food.   :2funny:

Oh and the best rooster to fight are them japanese kind called the shamu.  Tall boxer like a ga noi of vietnam or them thai fighters.   

A breeder here in the bay area has them and he loaned his friend from the LA area his rooster and it won a single fight for $40K.  This guy then drove the rooster back to my friend's place and gave him $5K cash.  The secret he told me, I shall not reveal it but it made sense though.  I mean it is so common sense but to me, it's cheating unless you get caught.  Simple trick but I'm not telling out of respect for my buddy.   O0



it's simple, you take a rooster that can take a lot of pain and kick like a moose over a highly skilled bird. that highly skilled bird can also kick like a mule, but if it can't take pain or as much pain, it will tire out eventually and become sluggish..and that's when the dumb, hard hitting, no pain rooster just need a few good hits, or sometimes just one good hit and its over...lols

if you have  a highly skilled bird, take as many pain as it wants, and give pain that reaches the bones, then you hit the lottery...lols

Shamos are a Japanese breed. It's pretty much their variation of the thai fighting cock. They have a very upright posture. they are known to take a lot of pain, give a lot of pain, but no skills whatsoever..lo ls the only time they stop fighting is if they're dead. they can fight non stop for up to 6 hours...lols the thai, brazilian, burmese roosters, at most they can fight up to 1 hour non stop...the ganois are similar to the Shamos as far as fighting nature..but their biggest flaw is theier lack of feathers..this make them sensitve to pain if hit at the right spot..also less feathers means poor balance and poor agility.

that's why a lot of Asian cockers that still fight birds on native American lands once or twice a year..haha have mostly crossbreeds...
that thai birds in thailand today are not the original thai breed..they are crossed with AMerican or Spanish type fighting roosters maybe to 1/4 or 1/8...the reason again is as I stated...they are breed for fast win, fast money....there's few thailand cockers that are still preserving the original characteristic s of the thai fighting chicken. Most Hmong cockers in America don't like the look of the modern thai rooster either...lols



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I don't understand why people like their cocks & Hens so much...

All I see is food and nothing more.



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there's a darkside to being a chicken hobbyist. you can get really attached to them and lose touch of reality. I warned some people to not get their kids involve and to find other hobbies..like fixing on cars, modifiying cars, or video games even..the other darkside is the overpricing of chickens. most fighting roosters are not worth several thousands..lol s In thailand, the wealthy are really into cockfighting alongside the proverty stricken..the performance of these birds are not worth in the millions..its just probably a slightly above average ordinaray good fighter, but the bets are high because the owneers have that kind of money...once it wins that much, it's value that much, when in reality, you could probably find a 100 dollar rooster and it will kick the brains out of that 1k rooster...lols I've seen it happen all the time back in the 90's when I was heavily into the now "illegal"..lols sport...lols

these all black chickens is really just a ploy for people to make some quick few hundred or thousand. in reality they are only worth maybe 20-30 bucks..haha besides blue/black meat chickens have less fat, and their flesh gives off a very bland texture..lols the old Hmong folks like that kind of texture though. They're used to eating bland food all their life, so bland to them is delicious. haha

The dark side is this.  Untrustworthy friends.  You guys played the hobby together and when you guys breed as a team for allowing the other guy to borrow your hen, one guy will keep the best of the batch and gives the crap to the other guy.  My hmong friends played them and although I don't understand the language, I can sense it.  One guy payed a mexican farmer $50 a month just to be on his land and on it, he has built himself so many chicken cages and it seems like he is growing more and more.  It takes so much time out of his life just to cater his pets.  A wife must be tolerable to be with a guy who spends all that time with his rooster than spending time with her. 

If I play again, I'll just get myself 1 and it is the best one.  I'll probably get a shamu from my indian friend who has lots of years into the hobby.  The guy was once the ceo of sun microsystem's limo driver that gets payed 6 figures to drive the ceo and his executives around.  That is how he has the bankroll to buy toys and came up in life.  The guy is about to retire soon.  I'm for sure to keep in touch with the guy for networking.   O0



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it's simple, you take a rooster that can take a lot of pain and kick like a moose over a highly skilled bird. that highly skilled bird can also kick like a mule, but if it can't take pain or as much pain, it will tire out eventually and become sluggish..and that's when the dumb, hard hitting, no pain rooster just need a few good hits, or sometimes just one good hit and its over...lols

if you have  a highly skilled bird, take as many pain as it wants, and give pain that reaches the bones, then you hit the lottery...lols

Shamos are a Japanese breed. It's pretty much their variation of the thai fighting cock. They have a very upright posture. they are known to take a lot of pain, give a lot of pain, but no skills whatsoever..lo ls the only time they stop fighting is if they're dead. they can fight non stop for up to 6 hours...lols the thai, brazilian, burmese roosters, at most they can fight up to 1 hour non stop...the ganois are similar to the Shamos as far as fighting nature..but their biggest flaw is theier lack of feathers..this make them sensitve to pain if hit at the right spot..also less feathers means poor balance and poor agility.

that's why a lot of Asian cockers that still fight birds on native American lands once or twice a year..haha have mostly crossbreeds...
that thai birds in thailand today are not the original thai breed..they are crossed with AMerican or Spanish type fighting roosters maybe to 1/4 or 1/8...the reason again is as I stated...they are breed for fast win, fast money....there's few thailand cockers that are still preserving the original characteristic s of the thai fighting chicken. Most Hmong cockers in America don't like the look of the modern thai rooster either...lols

It has nothing to do with my fighter is better than your fighter.  Let me just tell you what went down on the fighting ring.

Both roosters are shamu vs shamu.  This other fighter is a 6x champ.  Now to be consider a valid fight, they need to box first to be counted.  So they boxed but then the other rooster took off running.  He told me his shamu was losing because the other rooster is trained and has experiences.  The first few kicks, his shamu was knocked backwards because of the heavy hitting kicks.  Now I can't tell you the secret of the trade but the other shamu started running.  So the loser is the one that runs. 

My buddy shamu got the recognition from that fight and he sold it to a guy that witnessed the fight for $5 grand.   Really now, his bird was just an ordinary bird probably worth $200 for rarity.  It has nothing to do with the bird itself.  The trick is like a magician secret trade to what they did to any rooster and the results will always be the same.  The opponent will run after a few kicks.  It's not voodoo.  It is just straight up common sense that once he told me, I told myself, why didn't I think of that?  I can't share it online and that secret is like an almanac to all the sports game that biff, the guy from back to the future had and he would end up winning all of his sports bet.  Something in that line of caliber thus why the secret can not be leak or lives will be lost if the secret is out.  Cock fighting is no joke.  You don't want to get caught cheating  O0

Now my uncle told me in vietnam, they let you inspect the rooster before the fight.  My uncle would put sleeping pill under his fingernail and he would flick it to a rooster and you know chicken, anything like rice in front of his face, he would eat them up.  My uncle then bet on the other rooster for the win as this one rooster be fighting sleepy.  Now this cheating method, I can tell you   :2funny:



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Re: Man, and I thought when my uncle bought a Thai Chicken for $800 was expensive
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2023, 04:40:22 PM »
It has nothing to do with my fighter is better than your fighter.  Let me just tell you what went down on the fighting ring.

Both roosters are shamu vs shamu.  This other fighter is a 6x champ.  Now to be consider a valid fight, they need to box first to be counted.  So they boxed but then the other rooster took off running.  He told me his shamu was losing because the other rooster is trained and has experiences.  The first few kicks, his shamu was knocked backwards because of the heavy hitting kicks.  Now I can't tell you the secret of the trade but the other shamu started running.  So the loser is the one that runs. 

My buddy shamu got the recognition from that fight and he sold it to a guy that witnessed the fight for $5 grand.   Really now, his bird was just an ordinary bird probably worth $200 for rarity.  It has nothing to do with the bird itself.  The trick is like a magician secret trade to what they did to any rooster and the results will always be the same.  The opponent will run after a few kicks.  It's not voodoo.  It is just straight up common sense that once he told me, I told myself, why didn't I think of that?  I can't share it online and that secret is like an almanac to all the sports game that biff, the guy from back to the future had and he would end up winning all of his sports bet.  Something in that line of caliber thus why the secret can not be leak or lives will be lost if the secret is out.  Cock fighting is no joke.  You don't want to get caught cheating  O0

Now my uncle told me in vietnam, they let you inspect the rooster before the fight.  My uncle would put sleeping pill under his fingernail and he would flick it to a rooster and you know chicken, anything like rice in front of his face, he would eat them up.  My uncle then bet on the other rooster for the win as this one rooster be fighting sleepy.  Now this cheating method, I can tell you   :2funny:

I would have bought the loser for a discount.

The secret you’re talking about, I’m pretty sure to 99% I know it. Can’t be too obvious because these champs can handle 5 of 18 easily. If a person is desperate enough to cheat, pretty much garbage in my book.



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Re: Man, and I thought when my uncle bought a Thai Chicken for $800 was expensive
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2023, 09:49:41 PM »
yeah if it's cheating, its not a secret...lols. ..one time I talk to a close friend who still into this stuff  he told me, there's way people learn to cheat now..mostly they put some kind of spray under the wing, on the shanks, toes..they don't know what this spray is, but they can order it in the black market from thailand..this spray is like a irritant to the eyes..and once it get in the eyes the birds vision becomes alter or blurry... the other one is the opposing team pretending to inspect your bird and making friendly comments about how nice and high quality your bird is, distracting you but they secretly squeeze a muscle or artery and your bird is injured..

there's very few legit and honest cockers that really know what they are talking about..you probably find a honest mechanic before you find a honest cocker...lols



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