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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Solemn Wind on November 19, 2019, 06:07:19 AM
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The Hmong shooting this past weekend in Fresno that killed 4 is by far the Hmong shooting that has the most news coverage of all Hmong shootings, not just locally, but nationally and internationall y as well. Every major TV network to many major TV shows such as Good Morning America are covering it. I mean ITS REALLY BIG!!!
But why?
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mass shooting
the NRA
ban guns
andrew yang
news like this can not be hidden or for local news channel to deal with. It needs to be exposed for the betterment of our lives and for our future's generations.
Premeditated murder and I hope they catch those involved. Death penalty the least.
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There's been some reports it was linked to another shooting earlier in the week in that area. Retaliation?
Either way, one Mr. Yang questioned why there was a gang task force put together as a result of this current mass shooting. I mean, if the shoe fits...
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its sad the only time you see us hmong peeps on the news is stupid crap like this
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Incidents like these are indicative of a generation deprived of their culture, identity. It's not a gun issue. "It's a you done this to me, I'll pay it back to you" mentality. For sure this was not a random act. Someone was in revenge mode.....
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Incidents like these are indicative of a generation deprived of their culture, identity. It's not a gun issue. "It's a you done this to me, I'll pay it back to you" mentality. For sure this was not a random act. Someone was in revenge mode.....
I'm not sure I can agree with the first part of your statement. Just from my own personal experience, I can't see the correlation.
I suffered through trying to find my own identity, both culturally and individually and I turned out alright.
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If one of your friends was into that Life, would you call them out if you suspected they'd endanger your other friends?
What if instead of friends, it was family?
Is it family/friends above the Law or is it the Law above all else?
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The Hmong shooting this past weekend in Fresno that killed 4 is by far the Hmong shooting that has the most news coverage of all Hmong shootings, not just locally, but nationally and internationall y as well. Every major TV network to many major TV shows such as Good Morning America are covering it. I mean ITS REALLY BIG!!!
But why?
Not really, news are just more readily available and travel faster now for both the providers and viewers...
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I'm not sure I can agree with the first part of your statement. Just from my own personal experience, I can't see the correlation.
I suffered through trying to find my own identity, both culturally and individually and I turned out alright.
My point is that there are too many bad news coming out from our Moob communities around the U.S.. And why is that? Because we are slowly losing our respect for each other. We are adopting and taking on the social behaviors around us. The older generations had our culture, traditions to guide them in life for a long time. Disagreements were worked out with the clan leaders, relatives, etc. People worked things out through dialogue. It wasn't perfect but our tradition and culture brought our Moob people together. But now I often see our Moob people moving away from our own culture and traditional ways of life. And we are slowly adopting the culture-less, tradition-less "me, myself and I" attitude of the American society. The younger generations are throwing traditions, customs, culture away piece by piece. Take the fights happening at the soccer tournaments. Take the Moob youths joining gangs. Take the Moob becoming drug addicts. Take the homeless Moob people living under bridges. Take the divorce rates happening within our Moob communities. These are all examples of a non-traditional non-cultural values we are adopting now. These types of behavior were unheard of during our parent's generations. Because we don't care to exercise our tradition, value our culture we learn to take on the behavior and attitudes of this selfish society. We become what our neighbors are like. Vangs marrying Vangs. Yangs marrying Yangs. Extra marital affairs. Moob people doing porn movies. You name it our Moob people has done it, with no shame. Those are just some examples of throwing traditions out the window. That sets the trend for other clans to do the same thing.
Back to the killings. I'm guessing it's payback due to either someone getting it on with someone else's significant other or the usual drug/money problem. Nothing makes another man go to these extremes as those afore mentions.
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My point is that there are too many bad news coming out from our Moob communities around the U.S.. And why is that? Because we are slowly losing our respect for each other. We are adopting and taking on the social behaviors around us. The older generations had our culture, traditions to guide them in life for a long time. Disagreements were worked out with the clan leaders, relatives, etc. People worked things out through dialogue. It wasn't perfect but our tradition and culture brought our Moob people together. But now I often see our Moob people moving away from our own culture and traditional ways of life. And we are slowly adopting the culture-less, tradition-less "me, myself and I" attitude of the American society. The younger generations are throwing traditions, customs, culture away piece by piece. Take the fights happening at the soccer tournaments. Take the Moob youths joining gangs. Take the Moob becoming drug addicts. Take the homeless Moob people living under bridges. Take the divorce rates happening within our Moob communities. These are all examples of a non-traditional non-cultural values we are adopting now. These types of behavior were unheard of during our parent's generations. Because we don't care to exercise our tradition, value our culture we learn to take on the behavior and attitudes of this selfish society. We become what our neighbors are like. Vangs marrying Vangs. Yangs marrying Yangs. Extra marital affairs. Moob people doing porn movies. You name it our Moob people has done it, with no shame. Those are just some examples of throwing traditions out the window. That sets the trend for other clans to do the same thing.
Back to the killings. I'm guessing it's payback due to either someone getting it on with someone else's significant other or the usual drug/money problem. Nothing makes another man go to these extremes as those afore mentions.
A lot of the behaviors you've described also happened in Laos when I lived there i.e., no respect especially towards women and girls or families with less resources, killing/homicide (including cases that claimed black magic, witchcraft, poison), extra marital affairs especially on the men side because there was really no repercussions as a result of that behavior for married men, being selfish with the "I" attitude, married couple divorcing, blood related family members marrying each other, etc. Perhaps to a lesser degree but it still happened. And even before my time, there were incidents reported from the elders' word of mouth as well as their stories regarding those things. Unfortunately, Hmong doesn't have much of a written recorded history so we couldn't just look up those information but the fact remains, those behaviors have also happened during Hmong people's time in Laos and perhaps even way before that.
Take GVP an example, as respected as he was by the Hmong people, some didn't respect him nor support him back in Laos. Some Hmong have even seen him as a traitor because he worked closely with the Laotian government.
And it's not just the Hmong culture, those behaviors have also happened in many other cultures throughout history and some even have written recorded history about it. Even here in America, those things may have happened to a lesser extent say back in the 1700 and 1800s but it still happened if we look at America's written recorded history.
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A lot of the behaviors you've described also happened in Laos when I lived there i.e., no respect especially towards women and girls or families with less resources, killing/homicide (including cases that claimed black magic, witchcraft, poison), extra marital affairs especially on the men side because there was really no repercussions as a result of that behavior for married men, being selfish with the "I" attitude, married couple divorcing, blood related family members marrying each other, etc. Perhaps to a lesser degree but it still happened. And even before my time, there were incidents reported from the elders' word of mouth as well as their stories regarding those things. Unfortunately, Hmong doesn't have much of a written recorded history so we couldn't just look up those information but the fact remains, those behaviors have also happened during Hmong people's time in Laos and perhaps even way before that.
Take GVP an example, as respected as he was by the Hmong people, some didn't respect him nor support him back in Laos. Some Hmong have even seen him as a traitor because he worked closely with the Laotian government.
And it's not just the Hmong culture, those behaviors have also happened in many other cultures throughout history and some even have written recorded history about it. Even here in America, those things may have happened to a lesser extent say back in the 1700 and 1800s but it still happened if we look at America's written recorded history.
The king as much as I hate these Hmong thugs and violence in America and how fuccked up our Hmong people in America have become our lives here in America are at least still 100 times better than our Hmong people’s lives back in the old days in Laos or today’s Hmong in Laos.
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The country is scared of all these mass shooting
Especially school mass shooting
Too many
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The king as much as I hate these Hmong thugs and violence in America and how fuccked up our Hmong people in America have become our lives here in America are at least still 100 times better than our Hmong people’s lives back in the old days in Laos or today’s Hmong in Laos.
People have asked me several times why I haven't gone back to visit Laos and I told them I've lived in that hell hole for several years and don't plan to go back unless I really have to...
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My point is that there are too many bad news coming out from our Moob communities around the U.S.. And why is that? Because we are slowly losing our respect for each other. We are adopting and taking on the social behaviors around us. The older generations had our culture, traditions to guide them in life for a long time. Disagreements were worked out with the clan leaders, relatives, etc. People worked things out through dialogue. It wasn't perfect but our tradition and culture brought our Moob people together. But now I often see our Moob people moving away from our own culture and traditional ways of life. And we are slowly adopting the culture-less, tradition-less "me, myself and I" attitude of the American society. The younger generations are throwing traditions, customs, culture away piece by piece. Take the fights happening at the soccer tournaments. Take the Moob youths joining gangs. Take the Moob becoming drug addicts. Take the homeless Moob people living under bridges. Take the divorce rates happening within our Moob communities. These are all examples of a non-traditional non-cultural values we are adopting now. These types of behavior were unheard of during our parent's generations. Because we don't care to exercise our tradition, value our culture we learn to take on the behavior and attitudes of this selfish society. We become what our neighbors are like. Vangs marrying Vangs. Yangs marrying Yangs. Extra marital affairs. Moob people doing porn movies. You name it our Moob people has done it, with no shame. Those are just some examples of throwing traditions out the window. That sets the trend for other clans to do the same thing.
Back to the killings. I'm guessing it's payback due to either someone getting it on with someone else's significant other or the usual drug/money problem. Nothing makes another man go to these extremes as those afore mentions.
I agree totally. Yes nothing is perfect back in Laos/Thailand, then again nothing is perfect anywhere. However, its DOUBLE WORST here in America due to, like I keep preaching, "you just another Asian person to me". My wife who is a supervisor who over looked many Hmong people at her jobs tells me she try to do what is best for Hmong and always look out for her Hmong people MOST of the time. However she see that most younger Hmong peeps at her jobs don't care much about the "Hmong help Hmong" patriotic mindset, thus resulting in "you are just another Asian person to me". With a mindset like this with Hmong Millennial's and their children and so forth will make everything you mention above from respect, Yang marrying Yang, divorce rate, etc. tripled in the next 20 years.
Like you said above, "Because we don't care to exercise our tradition, value our culture we learn to take on the behavior and attitudes of this selfish society. We become what our neighbors are like". We lost our TRUE roots, we don't respect our values when others see that it's what define us, we want to be someone else like White, Korean, etc. The enemy only fear when you are strong as a community, when you are just another Asian and we have no community, the enemy just laugh and this is what exactly happening to us Hmong people in the near future. So sad but I won't live to see all the chaos.....lol.
About GVP. To be a leader you have to except love and hate equally. Some of you can't even make your marriage work, you can't even out argue your own kids, you can't even work things out with family, clan members and community. Most of you will just piss in you pants when having to make life changing decisions that will sacrifice many of your own people for the better good. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure GVP have its bad too, but look what happening to our Hmong communities since he was gone, EXACTLY! No more comment. Go watch the movie HERO with Jet Li, there's a strong message in that movie. Oh wait some of you won't be able to decode the message either......GO D HELP US, lol.
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I don't think I would attribute the Fresno shooting to a lack of culture and identity. I would attribute the Fresno shooting to people wanting revenge. If the shooting was gang related, and it sounds like it was, gang activity is still not a result of lack of culture or identity. How people get into gangs is a whole other topic.
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I don't think I would attribute the Fresno shooting to a lack of culture and identity. I would attribute the Fresno shooting to people wanting revenge. If the shooting was gang related, and it sounds like it was, gang activity is still not a result of lack of culture or identity. How people get into gangs is a whole other topic.
I want to bring up something. A few individuals are convinced it's revenge or gang related. Why are many condemning the gang task force that was put together (or the police who put the task force together) and the headlines from news websites.
If we celebrate the positives in the community can we not also condone the negatives?
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About GVP. To be a leader you have to except love and hate equally. Some of you can't even make your marriage work, you can't even out argue your own kids, you can't even work things out with family, clan members and community. Most of you will just piss in you pants when having to make life changing decisions that will sacrifice many of your own people for the better good. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure GVP have its bad too, but look what happening to our Hmong communities since he was gone, EXACTLY! No more comment.
I think it's even worst when GVP was alive in the 90's in regards to this type of crime (Hmong people getting shot at during drive by or killed by bullets)...Also Hmong home invasion rates were higher too if I remembered correctly and in many instances, the invaders were also Hmong..They purposely pick Hmong homes to break in, steal and/or beat/kill the Hmong victims at those homes.
Which is why I think the term, "tsov tsis tom tsov" is ignorant...I mean there are many other groups that way out number Hmong people so why pick on your own group...
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Ignorance is bliss...sheesh .
Don't romanticize everything people.
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I want to bring up something. A few individuals are convinced it's revenge or gang related. Why are many condemning the gang task force that was put together (or the police who put the task force together) and the headlines from news websites.
If we celebrate the positives in the community can we not also condone the negatives?
I’m convinced there were people in that house who knows exactly who did the shooting.
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I’m convinced there were people in that house who knows exactly who did the shooting.
its also a possibility they shot up the wrong house
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its also a possibility they shot up the wrong house
No, I’m pretty certain that possibility is zero.
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I want to bring up something. A few individuals are convinced it's revenge or gang related. Why are many condemning the gang task force that was put together (or the police who put the task force together) and the headlines from news websites.
If we celebrate the positives in the community can we not also condone the negatives?
I think a gang task force is a good idea if the shooting was 'gang related'. I don't know why people would be condemning the task force--it is meant to do good, not bad. We should be for it and not against it.
The word 'gang', though, makes me ask, "What causes the formation of gangs in the first place?" If we can answer this question, I think it might lead us to figuring out how to solve the gang problem. Just on intuition, my answer for ‘what causes the formation of gangs in the first place' is, poverty and greed.
Anyway, while they are at it with the gang task force, I hope they address the issue of gangs of different levels. For example, there is a gang called The 2% who are trying to gain more and more territory (aka money) over The 98%, and they don't seem like they will be satisfied until they are the only gang left standing.
There are smaller gangs that consist of members who are around the poverty line who fight with each other to survive but the overall damage these gangs cause is not at the magnitude of the gang of The 2%. The goal for all task forces should be to "remove poverty and greed"--this would solve the problem of all gangs, I think. I think to remove poverty and greed, task forces need to first look at the gang of The 2%. This gang is hurting everyone because they are greedy as heck and they control a lot of territories (for example, they control pharmaceutical s, big corporations, hedge funds, and a huge share of the money in the economy) and they send their debt-collectors (aka corrupt politicians) to collect from the citizens (The 98%) by way of policies that result in high taxes for the 98%, huge prescription costs, etc. When the 98% can't keep up with the crazy payments that are demanded of them by the gang of The 2%, many fall within the poverty line. When around the poverty line, people fight for survival (they need to feed their families). How do many people survive when they are around or below the poverty line? They form their own gangs.
So you see, the source of gang problems is the mother of all gangs, the gang of The 2%.
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Any updates?
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Any updates?
police are keeping it on the low down they dont wanna give out to much info, no arrest has been made yet but they have a few suspect in mind, it be kinda tough to make a arrest without hard evidence, there only chance now is to hopefully the neighborhood has surveillance videos
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I want to bring up something. A few individuals are convinced it's revenge or gang related. Why are many condemning the gang task force that was put together (or the police who put the task force together) and the headlines from news websites.
If we celebrate the positives in the community can we not also condone the negatives?
The political left in the Hmong community is more concerned about their reputation than solving the issues that plague said communities. This is like liberal blacks who ignore the biggest threats in their communities (fatherless homes, gang violence, black on black crimes) because it would take away influence, money, and power from their activism and anti-white messaging.
Notice how in the interview the Hmong politician/activist was concerned about it? Of course he is. His whole campaign is built around an anti-white message. He isn't interested in finding resolutions for his community. He's interested in winning by race-baiting because this strategy has worked for many.
Again, conservative Hmongs have a harder time winning elections. Their message isn't anti-white enough for the Hmong because the Hmong are easily exploited like blacks. The Hmong could go on for years with few to none discrimination incidents with whites but suddenly you mention it and they go ape-shit like it just happened to them, their mom, their children, etc. At the same time, white people have also been the race that has helped the Hmong the most compared to every other race out there.
The Hmong can talk shit all day long about blacks but they will never vote against blacks or to lower black crimes, thug behavior, etc.
Why? Because the Hmong are the niggas in the Asian race. That is just a fact. They ain't trying to vote against themselves. No wonder the majority of them are Democrat voters. It's not even an option for many of them.
If the Hmong are smart, they will denounce any Leftist politician from exploiting this incident by making it about gun violence. Wait until all the evidence has come in. Because if it turns out that the shooter is Hmong or someone seeking revenge after an altercation, it will make them look really dumb and also invite those on the right to comment. And can you blame the right?
It will be like the Jussie Smollet case. You can't make claims of hate violence by MAGA supporters and then act like it's not a big deal after it was revealed that it was all a hoax. Jussie and the leftist media deserves every nasty, hateful, comment from the right.
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I don't think I would attribute the Fresno shooting to a lack of culture and identity. I would attribute the Fresno shooting to people wanting revenge. If the shooting was gang related, and it sounds like it was, gang activity is still not a result of lack of culture or identity. How people get into gangs is a whole other topic.
Lol good point there. Gang violence in the Hmong community has nothing to do with disrespecting to our culture. Those millennial wanna-be gangsters got influenced by Michael Jackson's "Beat It" music video back in the 80s. The root of this problem is too much pride of their own ego. In fact gangsters behave like qaib Thaib, pecking order (bully the weak, only the strong prevail). ;D : :D
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Daniel Kahneman came up with a theory called the Prospect Theory. It states that people magnify bad news more than they magnify good news. Given we live in a social media society, this negativity is magnified in accordance with the network effect as defined by Metcalfe's Law. What does this mean? The world is not as bad as you think it is. You are simply living in a world of negative feedback loop echo chamber. If you are feeling negative about Hmong, stop watching the news and social media and start talking to people. Your perspective will change.
To balance the view, we now have state senators, circuit judges, doctors, lawyers, engineers, business owners, Ph.D., etc... The Hmong are becoming influential. Our culture is beautiful and it resonates that in China we have the Hmong Goddess Statue now. 200 years ago, the Hans were looking to exterminate us because we against the Emperor and refused to pay taxes. Our people were slaughtered. Today, we are thriving.
All things are relative...Lif e is beautiful when looked through the atrocities of history.
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5 good to 1 bad is the relationship.
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Daniel Kahneman came up with a theory called the Prospect Theory. It states that people magnify bad news more than they magnify good news. Given we live in a social media society, this negativity is magnified in accordance with the network effect as defined by Metcalfe's Law. What does this mean? The world is not as bad as you think it is. You are simply living in a world of negative feedback loop echo chamber. If you are feeling negative about Hmong, stop watching the news and social media and start talking to people. Your perspective will change.
To balance the view, we now have state senators, circuit judges, doctors, lawyers, engineers, business owners, Ph.D., etc... The Hmong are becoming influential. Our culture is beautiful and it resonates that in China we have the Hmong Goddess Statue now. 200 years ago, the Hans were looking to exterminate us because we against the Emperor and refused to pay taxes. Our people were slaughtered. Today, we are thriving.
All things are relative...Lif e is beautiful when looked through the atrocities of history.
You mean racism isn't the biggest threat against Hmong Americans? White people aren't looking out to oppress the Hmong in America?
Wow, could've fooled me. According to Hmong liberals we only have 12 years to live due to climate change and it's worse when you're Hmong because the Alt-right is lurking at every corner.
It's even worse for YAX. His state of California is facing all sorts of nasty issues allegedly created by the lone Republican at city hall. And boy, don't get me started on gun control. YAX just can't feel safe in his own house unless Jim, the redneck in Kentucky who lives remotely on 30 acres of land, gets rid of his gun. Jim doesn't need to protect himself from predatory animals. YAX's feelings are more important.
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So, MBS. I guess getting the Gang Task Force involved wasn't a bad ideal to begin with.
Would the same community leaders who condemned the police's efforts come out and condone the gang violence?
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Saw on my social media platform that they caught a few with pix. One guy ratted out the rest so yeah. Shooting motive is retaliation for killing one of their own gang member.
Not too sure who was the intended target. Just wondering if that hmong reporter lady will stick her head into this whole mess.
I did not go to the fny by the way. I was scared. :2funny:
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I heard it was between MBS and another gang (can't remember which atm). Some younger sibling of one of the victims or something. Just all rumors and hearsay so don't quote me on anything.
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It was gang related. All over the news.
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You mean racism isn't the biggest threat against Hmong Americans? White people aren't looking out to oppress the Hmong in America?
Wow, could've fooled me. According to Hmong liberals we only have 12 years to live due to climate change and it's worse when you're Hmong because the Alt-right is lurking at every corner.
It's even worse for YAX. His state of California is facing all sorts of nasty issues allegedly created by the lone Republican at city hall. And boy, don't get me started on gun control. YAX just can't feel safe in his own house unless Jim, the redneck in Kentucky who lives remotely on 30 acres of land, gets rid of his gun. Jim doesn't need to protect himself from predatory animals. YAX's feelings are more important.
Lefties and Righties are both psychologicall y ruinous to themselves.
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Wow, turns out that YAX has a higher chance of getting killed by his nephew's rival gang than a redneck carrying a Confederate flag in Louisiana.
puahahahahahah ahahahaha :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Hey YAX, hopefully you stayed indoors during tonight's Super Bowl game.
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