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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: colorMErainbow on February 02, 2018, 07:59:51 AM
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Im asking because i suffer from sleep paralysis. I started to get sat on more and more recent. Im too chicken shit to fight it off. Lol😆
Ive spoken to a shaman about it and she told me it was a a spirit.
Im stuck between two religion.
So, what are some alternative route someone can take with out having to do the whole hmong ritual to remove an attach spirit? Maybe hmong charms or home cleansing?
**Update**
it's awesome hearing other stories and experiences so i guess i will go deeper in mine. lol
i've been suffering from this for almost 3 years. My parents became aware that i was going through this last summer. So my mother tied strings around my hand and doors, as well as bought me plants that are suppose to ward of evil spirits and such but they never worked. At first i've never fought it, i let it do its business and just fall back asleep. The visits became so more recent. i've tried fighting and struggling but a little part of me ends ups being too chicken shit in the end. lol my grandmother on the other hand gave me this pouch that contain different charms, and the first night i had hung around my bed frame, i slept like a baby. it was the first goodnight sleep I've had in forever. The sleep paralysis stop completely. i was able to sleep on my own. one day i fell asleep watching tv on the couch and i got sat on 3 times in one night. it was so bad, it was like a never ending loop where i couldn't wake up to stop it. it was a very terrifying experience. deep inside my conscious i felt like whatever this "thing" was, was pissed that it couldn't find me. Never slept anywhere but my room from then on. one time i got into a bad argument with my husband and i just had it with him, so i went to sleep on the couch again( thank god he is soooo patient LOL). not even with in ten minutes i got sat on. something in me change that night. When i look back at that event, its so laughable because it was karma in a way but i found myself being a prisoner of this charm... i needed to have it where ever i slept. and so now i knew. sometime later after other long event, it started happening again. i am open minded to the logical side but i feel like with all the events that has happen to me also per what the shamn told me, i feel like it's an evil presence. All i can say is i feel it there in the darkest parts of our room waiting to latch on to me. when i do get sat on now, i get these really bad pounding ear ach, like something is screaming in my ear while sitting on me. i still end up being too chicken shit. im worried that there will be a day where this charm that my grand mother gave me will stop working or if i lose it. What are other options out there for me that wont cost and arm and a leg....
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get your doctor to prescribe an oxygen mask?
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just let them do whatever they want (sit, play with your hair, or even molest), once they know you don't care, they'll leave you alone.
fact of the matter is, you should try and get a good sleeping routine. staying way up too late, not getting out of bed on time, and simply sleep deprivation cause the body and mind to work against each other, which leads to sleep paralysis. often the best cure is sleeping in the arms of your loved one.
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I don't think it matters but if you think it could work, why not give it a try....
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Dang nkaujsee! I'm sorrie to hear about you. I'm too afraid to read all of your post.
Colormerainbow ... I don't know what to say..
For me, I sleEP on my belly. I've only had one attack when I sleep on my belly.
I'm more comfortable sleeping face up bit that's when the attacks come!!! Oh Wells. Sometimes I'm like "screw it, it's more comfy this way and I'll just deal with it"
I always fight it.
A funnie story.. once I was attacked 3 times in one night...
It just became funnie I laughed about it when the morning came..
The first attack was a skinnie one and I fought it off, then another skinnie one tried agian later and I fought it off..and guess what? On the 3rd attack I guess they went to get back up and it was big fat one!!! Cheezes! ! I mean for reall? !?!? Yeap, they went and got a fat one.. I fought it off as well.
Man, I woke up the next morning and just laughed.
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Asha ria, I will agree with you on that.
A long time ago...we'll my parents went to church...
So we went to church...
And my mom knew I was having attacks, I'd talk about it..
Anyways so she invite some of the church lead memberserk over, we all tasked about it then they prayed over me.
That night, it was the strangest feeling in the world.
It felt like there was just this sorta feeling lifted off of me..
Kinda like a spiritual sheet that was pulled off me and I felt safemail after the feeling was lifted off of me..
Sadly, I don't go to church nor do I pray...
So yeah...
Nkaujsee! Hurry up and hook me up!
By the way I'm getting skinnie now I don't have to suck in my stomache to look skinnier when I go out now.
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Good sleep is important. When I get on a good sleep routine sleep paralysis stops. Now I usually get it once every 4 to 6 months only. When I do get them, I don't feel the "evil presents" anymore, just can't move. I was baptized a Christian as a child but I stop going to church for over 10+ years now and not a Shamanism either. I believe in God the creator, but not in religion.
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get your doctor to prescribe an oxygen mask?
I do really want to get testet but i cant afford it at the moment. Lol I have taken this into consideration that it could just be a medical issues but i dont think it has anything to do with my medical health, with all the other experience i collected with this sleeping paralysis event. Some part of me really want this to just be a medical issue so that way i wont have to dabble in religious stuff. ~~sighh
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just let them do whatever they want (sit, play with your hair, or even molest), once they know you don't care, they'll leave you alone.
fact of the matter is, you should try and get a good sleeping routine. staying way up too late, not getting out of bed on time, and simply sleep deprivation cause the body and mind to work against each other, which leads to sleep paralysis. often the best cure is sleeping in the arms of your loved one.
I do agree that sleeping with a love one helps the most. But when your husband works 3rd shift, rotating weekends and you dont have kids yet its hard not to be scared. Lolll😔😖 lol
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Sleep on your side or your stomach n drool.
Don't cross your arms on your chest while sleeping. The reaper will bother you if they mistaken you for a dead person.
Drink warm milk before bed n wear a sock to warm up your feet. Dead people have cold feet.
By all means, just don't struggle. Let your mind to catch up with your body. The body wakes up faster than the mind hence a paralysis occurs.
If all that don't work, masterbation before bed. Orgasm releases good toxin feeling that can give you good sleep.
I had my case a long time ago. So bad that I can hear myself praying like talking in my sleep. So bad that I sleep walked but fell at the front door, where a religious statue was at. Well silly kids n their imagination, the day before, I was fixated to that statues face n I kid you not, it smiled at me n I was warm n complete like my body n soul was heal.
If Jesus talk to u, how would you feel moment.
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I probably have been sat on before but didn't notice it. But every time I have a bad dream, wake up feeling scare, or thinking someone is looking at me, I just jump out of bed and face it. Its like all things in life. You will never cross over and defeat your fears or struggles unless you stand up to it.
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The only way to defeat the sleep paralysis is to learn about it, face it, and fight it.
You are afraid of it because you have no background knowledge of why you are having it. You need to take control of your well-being (physically, mentally, and spiritually). Look deeper into your daily routine, lifestyle, food consumption, and family/friend relationships. Detach yourself from toxic relationships, toxic food, or control your finances so its not deteriorating your conditions. Learn to love yourself and treat yourself with care...real love.
For example:
Stress can cause you to have hormone imbalance (men and women). It will trigger your body to store fat and possibility of extreme tiredness. Just even things like that will make your physically body weaken and worsen your mental health. Overall, it can cause your body to function differently than what it should be doing such as triggering you to lose sleep at night. Your stress will challenge you in your dream-state (mentally) and may simply flip your dream into a sleep paralysis. Your fear of sleep paralysis will cause you to lose control of your waken-life. As we know, lack of sleep will cause you to lose focus, body fatigue, and if careless...dep ression.
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I've suffered from sleep paralysis since I was a young child and I always thought I was the only one feeling, hearing, and seeing things differently. As a child, spiritually... I was afraid of these sleep paralysis simply because I didn't know why it kept on happening to me. When I was fourteen, I was up late playing games online and I heard my brother making noises in his sleep. I went to wake him up and he started punching me. My other two brothers got up to hold him back. A couple seconds in restraining him, he calmed down and explained to us that he was already woken but he saw this entity trying to imitate as my figure why he was persistent in trying to hit "it." It was only then, that I realize I wasn't alone in this state of weridness.
The next day, in a dream...I had a visitor and it was sitting at the end of my mother's sewing machine. It was completely a white figure wrapped up with its long sharped arms. It didn't speak nor stare but it made its presence known. I paid no attention to its reasons but instead demand it to leave immediately or I would lightening strike its head off. Right then and there, I woke up right after.
Since that day to the present, I've gone through series of revelations and have equipped my heart as a warrior. I've always known that spiritually I'm pretty strong-willed and should I fall into a sleep paralysis, I'm equipped to fight. However, there is an inbalance in my waken-life...because physically I'm weak to the environment I'm born into and mentally still trying to educate myself of "the way of life."
It is very complex and complicated to explain. Life will happen and when it does, it reveals insights of the philosophical world-view of the reality you live in. The reality that is you.
/thinkpositive
/dontgiveup
/love
/fight
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Im asking because i suffer from sleep paralysis. I started to get sat on more and more recent. Im too chicken shit to fight it off. Lol😆
Ive spoken to a shaman about it and she told me it was a a spirit.
Im stuck between two religion.
So, what are some alternative route someone can take with out having to do the whole hmong ritual to remove an attach spirit? Maybe hmong charms or home clensing?
in college we worked a lot of patients who had this and once we convinced them to get rid of their superstitious beliefs these things went away more often. your issue is a mental thing. like many in here who experienced a lot of it, they believe in some sort of religion and that leads the brain to trigger some phony spirit beliefs. you should get tested and hopefully it's not serious seizures.
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in college we worked a lot of patients who had this and once we convinced them to get rid of their superstitious beliefs these things went away more often. your issue is a mental thing. like many in here who experienced a lot of it, they believe in some sort of religion and that leads the brain to trigger some phony spirit beliefs. you should get tested and hopefully it's not serious seizures.
You say that... but then there's a physical touch or tug... how do you explain that?
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I knew I should've never came in here... usually when you think or talk about it...
A attack happens...
I was napping on the couch today...
On my bellie!
And I got attacked...
I know it sounds funnie but I was suplexing them and doing all sorts of wrestling moves on them.. It was like a whole gange... cheezez...
Well! Back to eating my salad!
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You say that... but then there's a physical touch or tug... how do you explain that?
bro, you need to go to school and learn about nerves. here's an example... amputees still feel parts of their bodies that's no longer there. O0
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Also I have friends that knows and have been expose to all sorts of weird unexplainable occurrence of things...so I've learned to understand that everyone has a different way of interpreting things they see depending on what religious belief they have ...the Christians will say it's the attack of the devil, the shamans will say it's an evil spirit that has latched itself to u and etc.
I personally don't think the red strings, charms or trinkets will work for me as it's not really an attack of an evil entity but more so just my own mental state of depression...
You have to deal w/ it on how u believe fit...although it may or may not work, at least it will help to ease your mind a bit to lessen the fear...I hope this perspective of my experiences will help you to open your mind a bit...
nkaujsee,
thanks for sharing your experiences, it's really knowledgeable and helpful. i've ponder through so many probable causes of why this happens to me.but i guess the real problem i have is where do i start? i dont have any sort of connection in the small college town i live in. Of course i could go to church, but with out my husband support i feel super silly being there by myself. Sorry this response isnt as long as yours but i have taken all of your word whole heartedly. lol
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Dang nkaujsee! I'm sorrie to hear about you. I'm too afraid to read all of your post.
Colormerainbow ... I don't know what to say..
For me, I sleEP on my belly. I've only had one attack when I sleep on my belly.
I'm more comfortable sleeping face up bit that's when the attacks come!!! Oh Wells. Sometimes I'm like "screw it, it's more comfy this way and I'll just deal with it"
I always fight it.
A funnie story.. once I was attacked 3 times in one night...
It just became funnie I laughed about it when the morning came..
The first attack was a skinnie one and I fought it off, then another skinnie one tried agian later and I fought it off..and guess what? On the 3rd attack I guess they went to get back up and it was big fat one!!! Cheezes! ! I mean for reall? !?!? Yeap, they went and got a fat one.. I fought it off as well.
Man, I woke up the next morning and just laughed.
lol, i've tried sleeping in different position before but it's never worked, sometimes now when i sleep i would like really bad headaches or my hear would hurts really bad to the point where i feel like something is screaming into my ear. scary. :O
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I sometimes get sleep paralysis or "sat on" but it varies. Sometimes it starts as a dark, terrifying presence in my room. I can tell how strong it is by how stark my fear is upon waking. Sometimes I don't even wake up fully. I'm more half awake but the fear is so strong, it's more real than the pillow beneath my cheek. Sometimes there's paralysis, but lately the presence is just there. It makes itself known by pulling my blanket off me. One time it attacked me by biting me but that was because I tried resisting. Other times, it enters my dreams and gives me nightmares, usually in the form of demonic entities.
Since you're between religions (I'm assuming Christianity and Hmong shamanism), have you tried praying? When it got really bad, I would sleep with a rosary and pray every night. During the night time visits, I would pray the Lord's Prayer and the Hail Mary. It worked... After a couple weeks, everything stopped. I stopped wearing the rosary and praying at night, so one night I had a particularly bad nightmare. I think it was the same dark presence because it felt familiar. Well, at that point I had enough so I turned to the presence in my dream and said very firmly, "That's enough!" But funnily it wasn't just my voice that came out. Another voice was layered over mine, deep and layered with authority. Right when I said that, something grabbed hold of me and pulled me. I went from darkness to light while being dragged from behind, and my ears were filled with the loud rushing of wind. Quite suddenly I woke up. My body was paralyzed. But I wasn't afraid. There was no fear this time. Just absolute certainty that I was alright. I waited patiently in the dark for my limbs to relax. I could hear ordinary night time sounds, like the house creaking and the wind shaking the leaves in the tree outside my window. The darkness in my room was benign, and I knew every dark shape and shadow. After a while, my body could move again. I closed my eyes and fell into a dreamless sleep.
Ever since that night, I have not felt any dark presence or have had any sleep paralysis.
So for me, praying helped.
I don't know how to pray but I've tried praying. i usually just call for god to help doesn't work though, do you think its because you need to know how to pray? My FIL once told me to not put my faith in too many things or else the results im looking for will never work 100%. Do you think this is true? I've tried fighting this thing but it never gives up sadly.
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My parents also experience sleep paralysis when we were young....We were poor and had a 1 bedroom apt. & my siblings and I all slept in that same bedroom w/ my my parents
In the middle of the night for some odd reasons both my parents would wake up in the middle of the night seeing this shadowy figure while experiencing the sleep paralysis at the same time...and then other times my father would wake my mom up from that state and vise versa... it went on for various times throughout the years that we've lived in that apartment...
Eventually my uncle (dad's older brother) became a shaman...and then my father put up his small thaj neeb (altar) and ever since then he's never experience it again...that shadowy figure no longer appear in the middle of the night...my mom on the other hand still have occurrences here and there but it's not as bad
kuv niam siab mes li kuv and she's more susceptible to being exposed to these bad energies...
Onto another story ...one time she was attending a traditional Hmong funeral and she decided to use the restroom...she said as she walked towards the restroom, there was this very cold wisps of air that passed by her and it literally suck the energy out of her body and she felt weaken for some odd reason...it shook her whole body to the core and she knew something wasn't right....that night when she went to sleep she saw this figure of an entity in her dream that kept wanting to bother or scare her, the face was like of a zombie ...Hmong people have a word for this...I forgot what the word is but it's when at a funeral or a place where spiritual energies roam, they latch onto u, not on purpose but because you happen to be there while they are doing their pass by...lol...and my mother may happened to be there for this entity to latch itself to her...they love to feed on the weak spirited and when your fear sets in that's the best time to latch on..lol... :P
Yikes that is really scary. Did your family follow the old tradition or were your family church goers before your father put the alter up?
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Sleep on your side or your stomach n drool.
Don't cross your arms on your chest while sleeping. The reaper will bother you if they mistaken you for a dead person.
Drink warm milk before bed n wear a sock to warm up your feet. Dead people have cold feet.
By all means, just don't struggle. Let your mind to catch up with your body. The body wakes up faster than the mind hence a paralysis occurs.
If all that don't work, masterbation before bed. Orgasm releases good toxin feeling that can give you good sleep.
I had my case a long time ago. So bad that I can hear myself praying like talking in my sleep. So bad that I sleep walked but fell at the front door, where a religious statue was at. Well silly kids n their imagination, the day before, I was fixated to that statues face n I kid you not, it smiled at me n I was warm n complete like my body n soul was heal.
If Jesus talk to u, how would you feel moment.
haha DuMa, how accurate are the first 4?
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When I get home tommorow I'll type a really long reply and explain what it is based on my experiences...
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Allright, now that I'm on a computer..
Years and years of being attacked...
Yes it is still scary everytime....
But you know what? When you "wake up" during the attack, you're actually still asleep. After a while you start being aware of the whole situation.
Yes, it looks just like your room...everyth ing is there and it makes you believe that you are actually awake but you're not...
Many of times in my later years now, during the attack's I'm aware that I'm not awake, even though I look around and can't move etc etc.. You're actually not awake.
So I'm not sure how it actually all works.. sometimes even you think your eyes are wide open.. and maybe they are, but I guess it is possible to recieve signals into your eyes still being asleep with your eyes awake and your brain is just trying to make sense of it all.
Who knows..
But from my experiences, like I said, even though you feel like you're awake and everything looks exactly like in your room, you're actually still asleep "dreaming" it.
Maybe i'm wrong and I'm sure Ill be wrong but like I said, there have been a lot of times later in my years that I'm aware that it's just a dream.
And it's still scary, and yes I still "fight" it...
Thats why I said the other day I was suplexing and doing wrestling moves on whaterver was happening to me.
Just ended up taking control of my dream and yeah doing all of that.
If you wanna talk about it! You know what to do! Hook me up with a hottie and we'll talk!
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Allright, now that I'm on a computer..
Years and years of being attacked...
Yes it is still scary everytime....
But you know what? When you "wake up" during the attack, you're actually still asleep. After a while you start being aware of the whole situation.
Yes, it looks just like your room...everyth ing is there and it makes you believe that you are actually awake but you're not...
Many of times in my later years now, during the attack's I'm aware that I'm not awake, even though I look around and can't move etc etc.. You're actually not awake.
So I'm not sure how it actually all works.. sometimes even you think your eyes are wide open.. and maybe they are, but I guess it is possible to recieve signals into your eyes still being asleep with your eyes awake and your brain is just trying to make sense of it all.
Who knows..
But from my experiences, like I said, even though you feel like you're awake and everything looks exactly like in your room, you're actually still asleep "dreaming" it.
Maybe i'm wrong and I'm sure Ill be wrong but like I said, there have been a lot of times later in my years that I'm aware that it's just a dream.
And it's still scary, and yes I still "fight" it...
Thats why I said the other day I was suplexing and doing wrestling moves on whaterver was happening to me.
Just ended up taking control of my dream and yeah doing all of that.
If you wanna talk about it! You know what to do! Hook me up with a hottie and we'll talk!
Don't believe in what I say but at least have an open mind.
It is your spirit that is awake and what you see is real. Your physical body does not need to be awake for you to have sight.
You have to want to learn about it. Almost like..."accepting" that you have sleep paralysis and not be afraid of it. The more you are afraid of it, the more you are likely to have it. All the negative energy you put on will accumulate and escalate your physical body to weaken. You will be at your most vulnerable when you lose control of your waken life.
Don't be afraid. Continue to fight and you will learn you have strength in a form you never knew you could.
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I don't know how to pray but I've tried praying. i usually just call for god to help doesn't work though, do you think its because you need to know how to pray? My FIL once told me to not put my faith in too many things or else the results im looking for will never work 100%. Do you think this is true? I've tried fighting this thing but it never gives up sadly.
Praying will not help you if you don't believe in it.
You need to first learn about why people have beliefs and why they have faith in those beliefs. It's not something that you can just say and do because it worked for someone else. Your heart needs to be genuine, honest, and loyal.
You will meet a lot of people who will tell you what works for them and certainly it does because they believe in it and they don't give up on it. You may not know the depths of their beliefs but listen to how they express themselves and you might just learn why it works for them. Think of it this way, if you cannot explain to yourself why something is not working for you, then maybe it's because you don't believe in it.
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Praying will not help you if you don't believe in it.
You need to first learn about why people have beliefs and why they have faith in those beliefs. It's not something that you can just say and do because it worked for someone else. Your heart needs to be genuine, honest, and loyal.
You will meet a lot of people who will tell you what works for them and certainly it does because they believe in it and they don't give up on it. You may not know the depths of their beliefs but listen to how they express themselves and you might just learn why it works for them. Think of it this way, if you cannot explain to yourself why something is not working for you, then maybe it's because you don't believe in it.
people have faith and beliefs because they don't understand science. for example, many thought that meteors were plagues and bad omens. we know that isn't true. many others like you and people in here should understand that we are not living in the BCE era and move into the 21 century, for the sake of the children and the future. O0
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people have faith and beliefs because they don't understand science. for example, many thought that meteors were plagues and bad omens. we know that isn't true. many others like you and people in here should understand that we are not living in the BCE era and move into the 21 century, for the sake of the children and the future. O0
21st century is digging up BCE era to learn about the what can be "of" the future...so I would say, you do you and be mindful.
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21st century is digging up BCE era to learn about the what can be "of" the future...so I would say, you do you and be mindful.
digging up the past we learn about their beliefs and myths and apply science to understand. the only way humans have every moved forward is because of logical reasoning, people like newton darwin. why do you choose to live in the stone age? :idiot2:
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digging up the past we learn about their beliefs and myths and apply science to understand. the only way humans have every moved forward is because of logical reasoning, people like newton darwin. why do you choose to live in the stone age? :idiot2:
I guess you're going to have to go back to BCE era to dig up reasons and apply science to understand.... teehehe!
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I guess you're going to have to go back to BCE era to dig up reasons and apply science to understand.... teehehe!
when you grow up and go to college take a course in Anthropology. i'm sure your mind will be blown when you realize all them video games beliefs you think are real come from old cultures. O0
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when you grow up and go to college take a course in Anthropology. i'm sure your mind will be blown when you realize all them video games beliefs you think are real come from old cultures. O0
Oh, I've taken it...and everything is as real as you make it a reality.
At least your language sounds slightly more mindful this time. ;D
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Oh, I've taken it...and everything is as real as you make it a reality.
At least your language sounds slightly more mindful this time. ;D
you are incorrect.
reality:
the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them.
sunrain, you're cool but very naive, i hope you go back to school and relearn some things cause you're hurting the future kids if you tell them your beliefs, which are made up of lies in your head, like you don't even know what 'reality' means. O0
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you are incorrect.
sunrain, you're cool but very naive, i hope you go back to school and relearn some things cause you're hurting the future kids if you tell them your beliefs, which are made up of lies in your head, like you don't even know what 'reality' means. O0
But if everything in my head is "made up of lies," how is that not real? I rest my case.
Not going to turn this thread into something else. I do believe there are beauty in a lot of things and it is dependent on who's perspective it is from.
/toodles
/teehehe
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But if everything in my head is "made up of lies," how is that not real? I rest my case.
Not going to turn this thread into something else. I do believe there are beauty in a lot of things and it is dependent on who's perspective it is from.
/toodles
/teehehe
for goodness sakes. you're confusing an opinion with a fact.lol. lucky i'm nice enough to explain. for example.... if you believe the world is flat. that's an opinion your brain made up. but fact has shown that the world is round. you are entitled to your opinions but what you believe doesn't make things true cause you have no bases to prove them. learn the difference. O0
let me give you another example
I think you need to find your strength in your own way. Praying was what helped me
if praying helped ashra why wouldn't praying help everyone? cause it's something made up in your mind. :2funny: :idiot2:
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Captain, you must have not experience it yet.
For those who haven't experience it they won't understand or be able to comprehend it.
Once it happens to you everything you are saying now, you'll just take back.
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**Update**
it's awesome hearing other stories and experiences so i guess i will go deeper in mine. lol
i've been suffering from this for almost 3 years. My parents became aware that i was going through this last summer. So my mother tied strings around my hand and doors, as well as bought me plants that are suppose to ward of evil spirits and such but they never worked. At first i've never fought it, i let it do its business and just fall back asleep. The visits became so more recent. i've tried fighting and struggling but a little part of me ends ups being too chicken shit in the end. lol my grandmother on the other hand gave me this pouch that contain different charms, and the first night i had hung around my bed frame, i slept like a baby. it was the first goodnight sleep I've had in forever. The sleep paralysis stop completely. i was able to sleep on my own. one day i fell asleep watching tv on the couch and i got sat on 3 times in one night. it was so bad, it was like a never ending loop where i couldn't wake up to stop it. it was a very terrifying experience. deep inside my conscious i felt like whatever this "thing" was, was pissed that it couldn't find me. Never slept anywhere but my room from then on. one time i got into a bad argument with my husband and i just had it with him, so i went to sleep on the couch again( thank god he is soooo patient LOL). not even with in ten minutes i got sat on. something in me change that night. When i look back at that event, its so laughable because it was karma in a way but i found myself being a prisoner of this charm... i needed to have it where ever i slept. and so now i knew. sometime later after other long event, it started happening again. i am open minded to the logical side but i feel like with all the events that has happen to me also per what the shamn told me, i feel like it's an evil presence. All i can say is i feel it there in the darkest parts of our room waiting to latch on to me. when i do get sat on now, i get these really bad pounding ear ach, like something is screaming in my ear while sitting on me. i still end up being too chicken shit. im worried that there will be a day where this charm that my grand mother gave me will stop working or if i lose it. What are other options out there for me that wont cost and arm and a leg....
I have lucid dreams and I can control what happens so demon = no match for me in my dreams. lol.. Anyway, what was that TV show a while back when that lady got one of them soul blockers from some mountainous Hmong tribe of Laos? When the spirit tried to possess her she says "Soul Block, BIT CH!". Maybe you need one of those.
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for goodness sakes. you're confusing an opinion with a fact.lol. lucky i'm nice enough to explain. for example.... if you believe the world is flat. that's an opinion your brain made up. but fact has shown that the world is round. you are entitled to your opinions but what you believe doesn't make things true cause you have no bases to prove them. learn the difference. O0
let me give you another example
if praying helped ashra why wouldn't praying help everyone? cause it's something made up in your mind. :2funny: :idiot2:
You can have all the facts about anything and everything but it's still just your reality, not someone else's.
Sometimes, it may be good to invite yourself to look from a different perspective of someone's reality.
Anyways, I do appreciate the conversation.
/toodles
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Captain, you must have not experience it yet.
For those who haven't experience it they won't understand or be able to comprehend it.
Once it happens to you everything you are saying now, you'll just take back.
incorrect. I have and i've studied it with professors. I've already proved you wrong a while ago and that's why you couldn't rebuttal me, why you still here. :idiot2:
You can have all the facts about anything and everything but it's still just your reality, not someone else's.
Sometimes, it may be good to invite yourself to look from a different perspective of someone's reality.
Anyways, I do appreciate the conversation.
/toodles
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. i've already explain 'reality' to you, seems you still don't understand it. if you say the sky is pink cause that's your opinion and the person says the sky is blue and provides you reasons why the sky is blue, the reality is that person is correct. duh. learn the difference and come back and we can discuss how wrong you are next time. O0