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...will blame it on "MENTAL HEALTH" ...

And Biden supporters will blame it on "GUN CONTROL".. ???

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- "Republicans blame mental health issues for gun violence. So where’s the money for care?"


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- "Texas Dem points finger at blue states as latest mass shooting reignites gun control push: 'Root problems'
Eight people were shot and killed at a mall in Texas on Saturday"



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- "Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene said 'mental illness, drugs, and evil forces' are to blame for Texas mall shooting"



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- "Former Army officer and witness to Texas mall shooting who calls himself a 'gun lover' says mental health isn't the problem: 'We need more gun control'



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What about the 8 people killed and 10 injured by an SUV ramming into them at a bus stop? It seems their lives don't matter as much as the 8 that were shot because the narratives don't match the agenda.

Where's the call for assault vehicle ban or more vehicle control - like be put on waiting list and go through mental assessment before buying a vehicle? Can these eight people sue the vehicle manufacturers?



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Mental health covers a wide range of emotional instability. This isn't limited to receiving counseling. Some people can be in weekly therapy but will still suffer from PTSD and other variations of it. What they need is to have a caring, social circle. That is something that is missing in today's culture. That is something that money cannot buy.

The government can't pour money into finding you friends.

 



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Team Trump:

"Megyn Kelly Uses Texas Mass Shooting to Shame Gun Control Activists: ‘You’ve Failed to Effect Change’

Following the recent shooting in Allen, Texas, Megyn Kelly is adding to the growing concern regarding the skyrocketing number of mass shootings in the U.S., though in a different way — by shaming gun control activists for not preventing each and every incident of gun violence.

“Serious q for gun control advocates: you’ve failed to effect change,” Kelly wrote on Twitter Saturday. “Pls face it. You can’t do it, thx to the 2A. We’re all well aware you don’t like that fact, but fact it is. What’s next? Must we just stay here sad, concerned, lamenting? Could we possibly talk OTHER SOLUTIONS?”

In lieu of gun control, the former Fox News host suggested a myriad of other solutions that might decrease the prevalence of mass shootings, including mental health interventions — quipping that this would require something “real” and “not the BS we now do” — as well as “greater willingness to lock ppl up (w/protocols in place for civil libs) who are deemed to be threats [and] fortification of soft targets, coordination of media response to not lionize shooters.”

“We need a mental health facility that is secure (guards/locked down) but still humane enough that a loving parent would send her kid there, for one,” Kelly continued. “Right now parents who know they’re raising the next school shooter have next to no recourse.”



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Team Trump supporter here on PH backing the "mental illness" point:

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NOT SINGLE THREAD about the NYC subway shooting… weak sauce
Looks like our boy has been caught
Dude clearly has mental illness issue

CAN WE INVEST IN MENTAL HELP

PLEASE



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Yeah when you "like trump" and "agree" with him, you'll support him like this PH member and blame it on "mental illness"...vs. more gun control.. ;D:


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NOT SINGLE THREAD about the NYC subway shooting… weak sauce
Looks like our boy has been caught
Dude clearly has mental illness issue

CAN WE INVEST IN MENTAL HELP

PLEASE



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Neutral point and voice of reason?  ???:

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What Sen. Kyrsten Sinema knows about mass shootings that Democrats don't want to admit
Opinion: Democrats contribute to the inaction over gun violence and mass shootings as much as Republicans, ignoring an effective way forward.


Rampage shootings are so second nature in America they’ve created their own cliches.

A grieving mother was the first to call out Republicans on one of theirs.

Susan Orfanos spoke with anger and tears after her adult son, Telemachus, had survived the 2017 Las Vegas mass shooting, only to get killed a year later in a rampage shooting in Thousand Oaks, Calif.

She told a TV audience, “I don’t want prayers. I don’t want thoughts. I want gun control.”

Since then, gun-control Democrats have been throwing “thoughts and prayers” right back at conservative politicians who reflexively offer them after mass shootings.

They do this liberal retort so much it has become its own tired refrain.

Democrats blame the GOP after shootings

A law enforcement officer walks as people are evacuated from a shopping center where a shooting occurred Saturday, May 6, 2023, in Allen, Texas.
Something else that has grown tiresome is Democrats grabbing the megaphone in the highly charged moments after any new mass shooting to instantly blame Republicans.

Soon after a gunman killed eight people at an outdoor mall in the Dallas suburb of Allen, Texas, on Saturday, Democrats wasted no time naming the culprit.


Republicans did this.

Texas U.S. Rep. Veronica Escobar, a Democrat, tweeted: “Children’s bodies stacked on a sidewalk. A child’s face blown off. My God, what will it take for my @GOP colleagues to join us and finally act? I’m keeping the Allen community in prayers. And I also pray that my country demands change.”


California Democrat and U.S. Rep. Eric Swalwell tweeted, “A 5-year-old died today because @tedcruz continues to choose killers over kids.”

They miss the role they play in this
This emerging cliché of “blame Republicans and wash our hands of the entire crisis” is not going to solve the hydra-headed problem of gun violence.


I write this as someone not unsympathetic to the left’s call for greater gun control. America has an estimated 400 million guns today, more guns than there are people in the country.

Every day in America brings fresh evidence that there are too many guns in the hands of evil and irresponsible people. That is a human and policy failure with no easy fixes.

By reflexively blaming Republicans for every new mass shooting in America, however, Democrats inflame the problem while ignoring their own contribution to it.

Why do so many own guns? Because of fear
I can hear Democrats recoiling at my suggestion that they have anything to do with America’s gun problem.

Oh please, let me count the ways.

I could start with leftist Hollywood and Big Tech and their movies and video games that glorify guns and red mist more than any alt-right Rambo who poses with the kids and their AR-15s at Christmas time.

But let’s not.

Instead, ask yourself, why do so many Americans own guns?

Much of it is fear.

They fear crime. They fear the breakdown of society that leads to greater threats to them and their families.


They fear our dystopian big cities that have defunded and demoralized police departments.

Talk of taking away guns, and sales spike
But most of all, they fear politicians who they suspect want to take away their guns and leave them defenseless.

As the left-leaning Brookings Institution reported in July 2020:

“Past spikes in firearms sales have occurred when individuals worried about possible restrictions. Following President Obama’s calls to impose modest restrictions on firearm sales in response to the Sandy Hook elementary school shooting and the San Bernardino terrorist attack, sales jumped by 3 million and 1.6 million, respectively, beyond the expected level over the few months of elevated sales.

“Protests demanding gun control legislation led by students in Parkland, Florida, the site of the most recent high-profile school shooting, led to another spike in sales of 700,000.”

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Lest Democrats believe these avid gun-buyers are all Republicans, understand that some of the largest cohorts buying guns in the accelerating years of 2020-2021 were traditional Democratic Party constituencies .

Roughly half of those purchasing guns were people of color, and roughly half were women, according to a survey published in the Annals of Internal Medicine. 


What Sinema knows about the gun debate
Today’s Democrats do not appreciate the self-perpetuating nature of gun rampages that lead to fear, that lead to calls for more gun control, that lead to more gun purchases to load up before the Democrats try to abolish firearms.

With so many guns in the country, it’s going to take years to solve U.S. gun violence.

It won’t happen by screaming at each other.

The greatest breakthrough in gun legislation in nearly 30 years came last summer after two Democratic senators, Arizona’s Kyrsten Sinema and Connecticut’s Chris Murphy, used the bipartisan coalition Sinema began building as soon as she arrived in the U.S. Senate to pass new gun laws.

The legislation improved red-flag laws and restrictions on private gun sales, and it keyed on some of the associated mental-health issues.

Thanks to Sinema, Murphy and the Democrats and Republicans who joined them, the answer was clear: The way to make progress on guns is to work across the aisle.

Yes, Democrats have legitimate arguments that too many conservatives fetishize guns and seem unmoved by all the carnage.

But the public blame game that surfaced again after Allen, Texas, is counterproduct ive.

The way to make headway on guns in America is well known and recently demonstrated.

First, we build trust.



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Team Biden:

Democrats in Georgia, seeking stricter gun laws, must court Republican support

or people seeking to tighten gun laws in Georgia, the task comes down to changing Republican minds or changing the Republican majority.

The magnitude of that challenge was clear Wednesday, as Democrats and more than 100 people who want to change state government’s permissive attitude on guns rallied at the state Capitol. House Democrats released a letter signed by 71 of their members calling for a special session to consider legislation they say would reduce gun violence.

The crowd was angry, shouting “Now! Now! Now!” after a shooting last week in an Atlanta doctor’s office that killed one woman and wounded four others, and a shooting in Moultrie where a man killed his mother, grandmother and workplace manager before killing himself.

“The urgency of Georgia’s gun violence epidemic warrants an equally urgent response,” said House Minority Leader James Beverly, a Macon Democrat. “Lives will be lost every day that Georgia leaders — Republicans — fail to lead. We say lead, don’t hide. The time is now.”



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Even Team Biden supporters in a really RED state supports "GUN CONTROL":

Texas senator calls for gun control after 2 mass shootings in 2 weeks

‘I'm not going to stop, ever,’ says Democratic state Sen. Roland Gutierrez



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Yes, it’s guns. Yes, it’s mental health. It’s everything. And government can’t fix it

I am always amazed when, in the aftermath of a mass shooting the tragedy in Allen, both political parties expect their overly simplistic explanations to be taken seriously, their anemic policy proposals accepted as dependable solutions.

“It’s the guns!” cries the left, recommending restrictions.

“It’s mental health” insists the right, offering resources and better enforcement.

A reasonable arbiter would concede that both accounts contain some truth.

At the very least, a nation awash in guns (with minimal restrictions on purchases and ownership) is more likely to sustain more gun-related deaths, to include instances of mass violence. That seems a statistical likelihood.

To ignore the fact that these events, still uncommon enough to shock us, have increased in frequency alongside our nation’s rapid and spiraling crises of mental health and social alienation is willfully ignorant of the darkening reality in which many Americans exist.

But neither explanation is anywhere near complete.

Mass shootings are a manifestation of a lot more than either side is willing to concede, and both offer solutions that would help only along the margins.

I’m perhaps unusual among my fellow conservatives in that the Second Amendment is not without limitations.

I have faith that the right to own a firearm (or 20) guaranteed by the Constitution is not going anywhere, and I will always argue in favor of retaining this most necessary protection.

But does that mean that every ordinary person that wants a high-powered rifle or a high-capacity magazine should have immediate and unfettered access to them?

I’m not so sure.

Is there a balance we can strike between personal freedom and public safety and responsibility?

I’d like to think so. At least I’m open.

My skepticism aside, I also concede that many of the gun restrictions Democrats propose (such as age limits) would have almost no discernible impact on events like the Allen shooting. Americans own about 400 million guns — with the lack of registration and a thriving black market, we don’t even have an accurate accounting. The restrictions could, however, deprive some law-abiding Americans of their rights.

And Second Amendment advocates are correct that most gun owners (which includes pretty much everyone I know in Texas) will never use their firearms (including AR-15s) for any criminal end.


While I flinch each time I read the number of gun-related deaths in the U.S., I know that these tragedies do not occur in a vacuum. Except for gun-related accidents, gun deaths can rarely be untethered from some other yawning societal ill.

Mental illness is but one of them.

Drugs; fatherlessness; the rise in internet extremism of all kinds; the emasculation of our young men; the social alienation exacerbated by the pandemic and social media; and culture wars all play a role in fueling the anger and hatred present in almost every instance of mass violence our country sustains.

Indeed, the very same weekend that the Allen shooter unleashed mayhem in North Texas, another killer, perhaps similarly fueled by anger, enacted carnage in Brownsville, mowing down at least eight migrants.

He didn’t need a gun; he used his vehicle.

Extremism remains a connecting thread in many of these events, but we can no longer insist they are solely the consequence of white supremacy as we have come to understand it.

The killers in Allen and Brownsville and Uvalde all have Hispanic surnames. The Nashville shooter was LGBTQ and a biological female.

The cultural sickness that transmutes alienation and anger into mass violence is no longer isolated to one category of perpetrator; he or she cannot be easily identified and potentially thwarted.

The darkness and the rot pervades every inch of the Internet and every medium of communication.

It fills the emptiness left by social isolation, the loss of faith in our institutions, indeed, our loss of faith and God in general.

If events like the shooting in Allen leave you feeling hopeless, I don’t blame you.

Where I will find fault is if you think the government can do anything about it.

It won’t because it can’t, except for perhaps around the edges.

So yes, it’s the guns. Yes, it’s mental health.

It’s also everything else.

I suppose the first step towards recovery is acceptance.



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