How do you say "Power" in Hmong?

[zena]

Giggles_Shyly is correct. The closest word to power is "hwj chim".

tus vaj pov muaj hwj chim heev.
the king's guard has prestige/power/influence,

tus neeg tsoom fwv muaj hwj chim.
a government official has prestige/power/influence

tus yim leej muaj hwj chim
a general has prestige/power/influence

Zog is physical strength, as in:
nws tsi muaj zog mus kev deb.
he/she do not have any strength to walk/go far

nws tsi muaj zog kwv dej
he/she do not have any strength to carry water

tuam/thawj = first
naming convention
tuam → first son
lwm → second son
xab → third son

peev xwm = will/able/capable
nws muaj peev xwm heev

dawb dialect → hwj chim = literal translation: respect given
root words:
hwj = tone changed from hwm = nws hwm nws niam nws txiv.
chim = tone changed from chiv = tus mej koob muaj cawv chiv rau sawv daws haus.
other examples of tone change
hli → hlis
niam → niad
pog → poj
yawg → yawm

lees dialect → fwjchim = hwj chim

dawb dialect → huab tais = huang ti = heavenly king ≠ earthly king
lees dialect → fuab tais = huab tais = huang ti

dawb dialect → huab = clouds
lees dialect → fuab = huab = clouds

pos huab = fog
tag kis no nws pos pos huab
this morning was very foggy

Awesome! Thanks!

[chidorix0x]

Giggles_Shyly is correct. The closest word to power is "hwj chim".

tus vaj pov muaj hwj chim heev.
the king's guard has prestige/power/influence,

tus neeg tsoom fwv muaj hwj chim.
a government official has prestige/power/influence

tus yim leej muaj hwj chim
a general has prestige/power/influence

Zog is physical strength, as in:
nws tsi muaj zog mus kev deb.
he/she do not have any strength to walk/go far

nws tsi muaj zog kwv dej
he/she do not have any strength to carry water

tuam/thawj = first
naming convention
tuam → first son
lwm → second son
xab → third son

peev xwm = will/able/capable
nws muaj peev xwm heev

dawb dialect → hwj chim = literal translation: respect given
root words:
hwj = tone changed from hwm = nws hwm nws niam nws txiv.
chim = tone changed from chiv = tus mej koob muaj cawv chiv rau sawv daws haus.
other examples of tone change
hli → hlis
niam → niad
pog → poj
yawg → yawm

lees dialect → fwjchim = hwj chim

dawb dialect → huab tais = huang ti = heavenly king ≠ earthly king
lees dialect → fuab tais = huab tais = huang ti

dawb dialect → huab = clouds
lees dialect → fuab = huab = clouds

pos huab = fog
tag kis no nws pos pos huab
this morning was very foggy

... kekeke  ...   

The/a ha'ignorant HA'MUNG will believe anything one spoonfeeds them so not gonna amend/clarify what had been suggested here ... KEKEKE ... 

( Technically,  "hwj/fwj chim" IS NOT power, in the sense asked/inquired -- for control. It means charism/ influence.  Power is ZOG. And ZOG is not exclusively physical. Examp: Tuam thawj ZOG txuj tshaj ces thiaj coj ib tsoom kwv tij. Here,  has nothing to do with physical might ... kekeke ...  )

[todspengo]

... kekeke  ...   

The/a ha'ignorant HA'MUNG will believe anything one spoonfeeds them so not gonna amend/clarify what had been suggested here ... KEKEKE ... 

( Technically,  "hwj/fwj chim" IS NOT power, in the sense asked/inquired -- for control. It means charism/ influence.  Power is ZOG. And ZOG is not exclusively physical. Examp: Tuam thawj ZOG txuj tshaj ces thiaj coj ib tsoom kwv tij. Here,  has nothing to do with physical might ... kekeke ...  )

You are right in that it does not convey the same idea as the English word "power", but as I stated, it's as close as it comes so please re-read my post. However, I'm not going to resort to insulting you or insult those who agrees with you because it shows how infantile I am and thereby discredit me.

Zog in Hmong is exclusively physical.

"Tuam thawj ZOG txuj tshaj ces thiaj coj ib tsoom kwv tij."

This sentence does not seem like it was constructed in Hmong syntax, and was instead, an attempt to construct an English sentence with Hmong words. It's akin the Hmong words with the English syntax sentence: kaw koj qhov muag and qheb koj qhov muag for open your eyes and close your eyes respectively. The reason this is obvious is because it can be translated word for word because it's the same syntax. Hmong syntax is "qe" koj "lub" qhov muag and "rua" koj "lub" qhov muag; where the words in quotes are the missing words to needed to create a Hmong sentence.

The sentence you used to back you up did not makes any sense to me, but hey, I could be wrong. You are; however, entitled to your belief and those who agree with you are entitled to believe in what you believe. But I think this is the idea you were trying to convey:

"Nws yog lawv tus thawj coj vim nws yog tus muaj hwj chim tshaj ntawm lawv pab kwv tij."

[chidorix0x]

/\/\  ...  kekeke  ... 

As inferred, you simply am only using, or perhaps only know how to use/apply (Hmong ) words exclusively in layman constructs.  That isn't wrong.  It is just rather unintelligible is all.

Examp :  In English,  here is an elementary construct if power as is -- physical by your exclusive rationale.
1.  My lifting power is stronger than yours.

However,  power takes on an entirely non-physical construct also in this sentence.
2.  The power of the human mind is immeasurable ... KEKEKE ...   
( U just aren't using your potential "brain power". ... kekeke ...  )

And in that same respect is how I was trying to inject that "lo lus ZOG" is not exclusively physical in Hmong usage also.
Examp :  Fwm Nom tswv ZOG loj dua laj lig pwj xeem. (Non physical whatsoever.  Period. )

 But you are entitled to believe in only layman terms and constructs as you choose,  or want to believe ... kekeke ... 

Oh! BTW, my sentence of "Tuam thawj ZOG txuj tshaj ..." has nothing to do with "hwj chim" but the power of affluence (intellect, culture/customs, wealth etc.),  which is MORE common in being a clan leader versus charisma/influence,  or how you are suggesting/using "hwj chim" ... KEKEKE ... 

[chidorix0x]

...  kekeke  ...   

Here are practically everyday Hmong constructs, usage, and application of the word "ZOG" in actual Hmong verbiage where the word/meaning is non-physical, in terms of "POWER", whatsoever.  (Yeah  ...  yeah  ...  some/ALL of  you ha'ignorant "HA'Mung" are going to argue, "But it implies the physical element/aspect."  Fail!  It may imply the "physical" but the ACTUAL meaning IS NOT  ...  KEKEKE  ...   )

1.  Ze ZOG txawm dav los tib neeg txawm nqaim  ...  (meaning is village, township, or community)

2.  Yuav thov koj lub dag coj lub ZOG  ...  (meaning is your time, profession, or skill/knowledge)

3.  Tus neeg nquag ces nws lub ZOG kuj sib heev  ...  (meaning is "workaholic", energetic etc.)

4.  Tus neeg tub nkeeg ces nws lub ZOG hnyav heev  ... (meaning is "lazy" etc.)

5.  Peb mus ua ZOG los  ...  (meaning is "manual labor", or job)

6.  Koj tuag lawm los cas tsis ua ZOG li nas tsuv tum  ...  (meaning is "idle", deadbeat, movement)

7.  ZOG nuv mej nyob le cag lawm xwb  ...  (In Green, it means, "now" or "presently")

8.  Kuv lub ZOG ces tag nrho lawm os (or) Kuv ZOG ntaug zuj zus lawm  ...  (meaning "energy/vitality" -- NOT strenght in this context)

9.  Tus ntawv txoj cai ZOG loj tshaj rab riam rab phom tej zog  ...  (meaning authority pertaining to laws)

...  etc. etc.  ...  KEKEKE  ...   

(The/a HA'Mung edumacation of the Hmong word "ZOG" -- non-physical application -- is complete for today  ...  Oar Chow dao-dao  ...  kekeke  ...    )

[todspengo]

To understand tonal languages, a person must have a basic understanding of tone sandhi. To keep this post short, you can look that up yourself.

1. Zej zog -> tone change zos to zog.
2. Lub dag Lub zog refers when someone is politely asking you to help them do something that requires physical exertion.
3. Nquag refers to physical action. Root word work is a physical action.
4. Nkeeg is a tone change of nkees, which is also a physical action.
5. Ua zog, again, work is a physical action.
6. Incorrect translation. It's zag nuav, zaum no in dawb dialect.
7. Again, physical exertion.
8. English syntax replaced with hmong words. Hmong language lessons 101
tus is what linguists called a classifier. It classifies all nouns that are alive, but due to misuse you sometimes hear it used to classify bridge such as tus choj. Correct usage is txoj choj, like txoj kev. Most asian languages has it, but hmong is the most strict. The noun ntawv is always proceeded by either the classifier daim if it's a blank sheet of paper, tsab if it's written, or phau if it's a book.

Your lesson is complete. If you want more lessons, I would be more than happy to teach you real hmong grammer, syntax structures, tone sandhi rules, 56 initial consonants, 5 simple vowels,  8 complex vowels, 1 closing consonant, vocabularies, Hmong and wu dialect (language spoken in shang hai) originating from the same language theories. Just start a new post so this post do not get hijacked. 

[todspengo]

/\/\  ...  kekeke  ... 

As inferred, you simply am only using, or perhaps only know how to use/apply (Hmong ) words exclusively in layman constructs.  That isn't wrong.  It is just rather unintelligible is all.

Examp :  In English,  here is an elementary construct if power as is -- physical by your exclusive rationale.
1.  My lifting power is stronger than yours.

However,  power takes on an entirely non-physical construct also in this sentence.
2.  The power of the human mind is immeasurable ... KEKEKE ...   
( U just aren't using your potential "brain power". ... kekeke ...  )

And in that same respect is how I was trying to inject that "lo lus ZOG" is not exclusively physical in Hmong usage also.
Examp :  Fwm Nom tswv ZOG loj dua laj lig pwj xeem. (Non physical whatsoever.  Period. )

 But you are entitled to believe in only layman terms and constructs as you choose,  or want to believe ... kekeke ... 

Oh! BTW, my sentence of "Tuam thawj ZOG txuj tshaj ..." has nothing to do with "hwj chim" but the power of affluence (intellect, culture/customs, wealth etc.),  which is MORE common in being a clan leader versus charisma/influence,  or how you are suggesting/using "hwj chim" ... KEKEKE ... 

I missed this so I'm going to touch on this.

you can't used an English constructed idea as proof to a hmong construct and idea because they are mutually exclusive.

[chidorix0x]

/\/\ ... kekeke ... 

Physical exertion for "zej ZoG" and "dag ZOG" , 1 being a community and the other a profession ( ) , whatever floats your boat "ZOG charlatan" ... KEKEKE ... 

Right, no one else can apply practical nonsensical English constructs to validate and further clarify Hmong words ( ZOG), but you have no qualms with it to rattle off your classifier, sandhi, consonants, vowels, and other BS ( ) ... kekeke ... 

Your personalized logic and reasoning is illogical as evident in your "ZOG" exclusivity ... KEKEKE ... 

Forgot.  When Hmong specifically refers to and speak of "cai" or "txoj cai" for laws/rules using "ZOG, how is that "physical/physical exertion" when laws/rules are principles/ideals. "ZOG" here clearly refers to authority,  directives, and mandates -- non-physical whatsoever period. Yeah,  you're gonna rant that it takes "physical action" to enforce "cai". Sure bub ( ) ... kekeke ... 

Again,  whatever floats your boat cyclops ... KEKEKE ... 

Oh! Good job redefining  the practically EXACT meanings of my definition to suit your narrow English-inspired rhetoric in your uninspiring futile rebuttal ... KEKEKE ... 

[chidorix0x]

... kekeke  ... 

Your "real Hmong" where TUS choj or TUS ntawv is nonexistent must be a hybrid of ALL the HA'MUNG re - imaginings languages some/most of you exclusive charlatans have been posturing for the last 2 decades,  if not longer ... kekeke ... 

TUS choj = a/the bridge
TUS ntawv = a/the letter/word -- NOT book/pamphlet azz u narrowly suggested

And I have never heard any sound Hmong,  old or young, ever said "TXOJ choj"  , but perhaps a/the HA'MUNG does ... KEKEKE ... 

[yuknowthat]

Nej hais txog Hwj Huaj? =power

[3 Years Time]

Huab and fuab may not be the same things, the different meanings may have been lost overtime. For the same reason, hwjchim and fwjchim can be mistranslated as the same thing because if two groups of people are separated long enough, they'll be asking what we're asking today, how do you say power in Hmong? And just think, it's only been 40 years since Hmong started arriving in the US since 1975. Imagine then, that white Hmong and green Hmong were probably separated for hundreds of years. The meanings can be lost unless well kept by those well versed. The only way to truly keep things valid is to cross reference everyone's understanding and go from there. Even if we were to pick up Hmong-English dictionaries, their info is not 100% up to date.

For example, the Hmong in southern China don't say kaum for 10 nor nees nkaum for 20. They say ib caug, ob caug, peb caug, likewise ib caug ib is 11, instead of kaum ib. So who's to say who's right? I honestly think the way they say it makes more sense. We have to gather all the data and go from there.

[chidorix0x]

Huab and fuab may not be the same things, the different meanings may have been lost overtime. For the same reason, hwjchim and fwjchim can be mistranslated as the same thing because if two groups of people are separated long enough, they'll be asking what we're asking today, how do you say power in Hmong? And just think, it's only been 40 years since Hmong started arriving in the US since 1975. Imagine then, that white Hmong and green Hmong were probably separated for hundreds of years. The meanings can be lost unless well kept by those well versed. The only way to truly keep things valid is to cross reference everyone's understanding and go from there. Even if we were to pick up Hmong-English dictionaries, their info is not 100% up to date.

For example, the Hmong in southern China don't say kaum for 10 nor nees nkaum for 20. They say ib caug, ob caug, peb caug, likewise ib caug ib is 11, instead of kaum ib. So who's to say who's right? I honestly think the way they say it makes more sense. We have to gather all the data and go from there.

...  kekeke  ...   

You are not the only person (or HA'Mung) who has made this argument/proposition, specifically regarding and citing our Hmong-Chinese brethrens who are still living and thriving in China, about how they know this, do that, and (for the naive, gullible, and ignorant) seem to believe or want to believe they -- our Hmong-Chinese brethen -- are some more genuine, authentic, true, pure, and "more Hmong" than say SEAsian Hmong or even (and especially) US/West Hmong.

Well, let me be the first (and I gaurantee you, "I am/will not be the last, even coming from a Hmong-Chinese himself/herself from southern China), how dead wrong you are."  It is pointless to "pinpoint" ALL the facts, data, statistics, and scholarships readily available for study, research, and logically conclude (to near irrefuttable) validation of the truth, or near truth, but I will let you (and any truly interested person/s) find that out for themself.   I have already done my fair share and am still doing so best of luck to you or anyone else who is truly interested versus just blindly suggesting/proposing any number of elementary hypothetical afterthought/theory.

Short answer:  "The Hmong (of true pure authenticity wanting to preserve their way of life: language, culture, customs and ancestry) left/fled China 100s-1000s of years ago into SEAsia and eventually towards the West/USA etc. as we know without a fact to this very day."  (The Hmong-Chinese is very questionable in this regard.  Some, including Hmong-Chinese intellects/scholars, would and have argued they are more Chinese and less Hmong than Western/USA Hmong.  That too is without a doubt a fact, or is widely known and accepted, more or less.)  Just a little bit of research/study, even just browsing through Internet-based forums, websites, and articles/scholarships anyone can reasonably/intelligibly conclude this  ...   

[theking]

...  kekeke  ...   

You are not the only person (or HA'Mung) who has made this argument/proposition, specifically regarding and citing our Hmong-Chinese brethrens who are still living and thriving in China, about how they know this, do that, and (for the naive, gullible, and ignorant) seem to believe or want to believe they -- our Hmong-Chinese brethen -- are some more genuine, authentic, true, pure, and "more Hmong" than say SEAsian Hmong or even (and especially) US/West Hmong.

Well, let me be the first (and I gaurantee you, "I am/will not be the last, even coming from a Hmong-Chinese himself/herself from southern China), how dead wrong you are."  It is pointless to "pinpoint" ALL the facts, data, statistics, and scholarships readily available for study, research, and logically conclude (to near irrefuttable) validation of the truth, or near truth, but I will let you (and any truly interested person/s) find that out for themself.   I have already done my fair share and am still doing so best of luck to you or anyone else who is truly interested versus just blindly suggesting/proposing any number of elementary hypothetical afterthought/theory.

Short answer:  "The Hmong (of true pure authenticity wanting to preserve their way of life: language, culture, customs and ancestry) left/fled China 100s-1000s of years ago into SEAsia and eventually towards the West/USA etc. as we know without a fact to this very day."  (The Hmong-Chinese is very questionable in this regard.  Some, including Hmong-Chinese intellects/scholars, would and have argued they are more Chinese and less Hmong than Western/USA Hmong.  That too is without a doubt a fact, or is widely known and accepted, more or less.)  Just a little bit of research/study, even just browsing through Internet-based forums, websites, and articles/scholarships anyone can reasonably/intelligibly conclude this  ...   

Hmmm, this passage looks like vintage HA'RUAM chlorox's but Mr. acting like a know it all actually rely on "Internet-based forums, websites, and articles/scholarships"...for "research" purposes..

Looks like Google is also HA'RUAM's friend...

[yuknowthat]

Like as in nws muaj hwj huaj zoo, luag tej tiag cav nws lub koob lub npe nto moos lug?

[chidorix0x]

Hmmm, this passage looks like vintage HA'RUAM chlorox's but Mr. acting like a know it all actually rely on "Internet-based forums, websites, and articles/scholarships"...for "research" purposes..

Looks like Google is also HA'RUAM's friend...

...  kekeke  ...   

Says a/the ha'primitive ha'ignorant HA'Mung who ha'ranted against exchanging $$$ (dowry/bride price) for a wife/bride, but wants and favors $$$ ( ) for pOOssEEy (prostitution  ...   )  ...  KEKEKE  ...   

And ha'yes, ha'primitive ha'clueless HA'Mung ha'Google for most, if not ALL, their HA'Mungness   ...  kekeke  ...     (Gotta give credit where it is due  ...  KEKEKE  ... )